fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-11-24

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[09:01:44 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto: sorry i didn't get back to you before you left yesterday... I just replied to the e-mail you sent out to the list.
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[09:46:23 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Justin_o: i didn't get your resent msg. to the work list – is my email broken?
[09:46:27 EST(-0500)] <jessm> or is our mailinglist?
[09:46:50 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> jessm: what did you get/
[09:47:36 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> jessm: did you get part of the e-mail... for example the new message but not the resent one
[09:47:36 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Justin_o: oh, nevermind!
[09:47:40 EST(-0500)] <jessm>
[09:47:57 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i go tthe whole thing – just glanced and thought the inline part was Sveto's original
[09:48:18 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> jessm: oh sorry... yah looking at it again... it is a bit confusing
[09:48:33 EST(-0500)] <jessm> to lazy eyes
[09:49:01 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Justin_o: do you have some time this a.m. to talk about the status of the components?
[09:49:46 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> jessm: sure... anytime
[09:50:03 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Justin_o: let's jump on skype
[09:50:46 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> jessm: logging in now
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[10:07:05 EST(-0500)] <laurel> mackrauss: http://142.150.154.58/fluidproject-website/
[10:11:47 EST(-0500)] <mackrauss> Thanks laurel I will have a look
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[12:27:01 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> jamon: hello, we seem to be noticing some slowdowns every so often when hitting pages or other things off of titan
[12:33:44 EST(-0500)] <michelled> jamon, it's fine again
[12:33:51 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I'll try to ping you when I see the problem next
[12:41:28 EST(-0500)] <jamon> michelled: it's strange, i think it may be related to those hung ssh sessions i keep getting too
[12:43:01 EST(-0500)] <michelled> weird
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[13:25:24 EST(-0500)] <laurel> jessm: ping
[13:25:49 EST(-0500)] <jessm> laurel: what's up?
[13:26:40 EST(-0500)] <laurel> hi jess - jamon and I were chatting about the website convert and I wanted to check in with you. got a sec sometime before 3?
[13:28:05 EST(-0500)] <jessm> laurel: lemme ping you if i do – it's not looking good...
[13:28:28 EST(-0500)] <laurel> jessm: fair enough - when you get a chance
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[14:52:30 EST(-0500)] <joan2> hi
[14:52:51 EST(-0500)] <joan2> justin?
[14:53:02 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> joan2: hello
[14:53:48 EST(-0500)] <joan2> i've got my couchdb 0.10.0 / couchdb lucene 0.4 running .
[14:54:10 EST(-0500)] <joan2> i need it to store the artifact comments
[14:55:04 EST(-0500)] <joan2> so is there a server (titan ...) where i could replicate from (as my remote server database)
[14:55:20 EST(-0500)] <joan2> just to have a local development environment ?
[14:55:33 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sure... i'll grab the link for you
[14:55:38 EST(-0500)] <joan2> great
[14:55:59 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> http://titan.atrc.utoronto.ca:5984/_utils/index.html
[14:56:31 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> joan2: ^
[14:56:55 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i think for the replication you have to point at the individual databases, using the replicator
[14:56:56 EST(-0500)] <joan2> is it a couch 0.10.0 server?
[14:57:08 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> no that one i think is 0.9
[14:57:50 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> joan2: yura set up another one that is the same setup as what you are using, we used the replicator to pull in the data from here to there though...
[14:57:53 EST(-0500)] <joan2> is this a problem, do they are compatible via replication?
[14:57:55 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> would you like that address to though
[14:58:09 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> it shouldn't be a problem
[14:58:13 EST(-0500)] <joan2> no, i'll try yours first
[14:58:28 EST(-0500)] <jamon> joan2, Justin_o, make sure the database exists locally before replicating
[14:58:53 EST(-0500)] <jamon> names can be different, but a target has to exist
[14:59:11 EST(-0500)] <joan2> mcoord or mmi ?
[14:59:27 EST(-0500)] <joan2> for artifact view ?
[14:59:27 EST(-0500)] <jamon> both? only 200k or so
[14:59:30 EST(-0500)] <joan2> ok
[14:59:42 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> jamon: thanks
[15:00:07 EST(-0500)] <joan2> thanks
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[15:00:23 EST(-0500)] <jamon> Justin_o: np, i ran into the problem and thought i'd erased the db on titan..
[15:10:43 EST(-0500)] <joan2> jamon, justin: excellent. I've done the import. Many thanks. Very easy.
[15:15:11 EST(-0500)] <joan2> bye, bye
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[15:22:00 EST(-0500)] <mackrauss> Hi everyone, I am trying to put together some resource about Fluid's accessibility. http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+accessibility
[15:22:13 EST(-0500)] <mackrauss> I am highly interested in comments, critique and help
[15:22:38 EST(-0500)] <mackrauss> Please feel free to add or change things or post comments on the wiki
[15:22:42 EST(-0500)] <jessm> mackrauss: i was thinking for the What is a11y section we can put our own definition out there
[15:23:13 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'll edit it
[15:23:18 EST(-0500)] <mackrauss> sounds good
[15:23:28 EST(-0500)] <mackrauss> jessm go ahead
[15:24:18 EST(-0500)] <mackrauss> Also I am interested on feedback on the "A11y by component" part
[15:24:41 EST(-0500)] <mackrauss> I mean input not feedback. What do developers thing each one can do
[15:24:42 EST(-0500)] <jessm> mackrauss: i mentioned to Justin_o that you were doing this page – he'll be a great resource for the by component section
[15:25:32 EST(-0500)] <mackrauss> I think he is somewhere on the whiteboard to help me. This way I make sure he is remembered (jessm Justin_o)
[15:31:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> mackrauss, jessm: +1 on the idea to showcase our definition of accessibility and inclusion on this page. I think it will help people recognize how our approach is quite different and exciting.
[15:36:18 EST(-0500)] <mackrauss> jessm are you at the moment editing the page? If not I would do some quick changes. If yes, let me know and I wait
[15:36:40 EST(-0500)] <jessm> not editing
[15:39:09 EST(-0500)] <mackrauss> thanks
[15:46:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: I miss a lot of the links on the build.fluidproject home page.
[15:46:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Do you have the URL handy for the scratchpad and incubator daily build?
[15:46:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: Or am I just missing something obvious?
[15:47:08 EST(-0500)] <michelled> you aren't missing anything
[15:47:28 EST(-0500)] <michelled> we have plans for index pages for scratchpad and incubator but no action on them yet
[15:47:43 EST(-0500)] <michelled> http://build.fluidproject.org:8095/scratchpad/bug-parade/html/parade.html is a link to the parade html
[15:47:52 EST(-0500)] <michelled> you can hack that url to get at anything in scratchpad
[15:47:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> thanks so much
[15:48:14 EST(-0500)] <michelled> and if you change 'scratchpad' to 'incubator' you can see anything in incubator
[15:48:19 EST(-0500)] <michelled> np
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[15:59:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: As I'm listening on the design meeting, I did a bit of Googling about relevant technologies.
[15:59:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Paul Bakaus showed me this at the jQuery conference: http://paulbakaus.com/2008/05/31/coverflow-anyone/
[15:59:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> His demo says "Have fun and try using the keyboard for hotness"
[16:02:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> While I've never been a Cover Flow fan, this would probably do the trick with a bit of ARIA support added to it, Justin_o.
[16:02:28 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> yah... that's pretty cool... and it's been submitted as a jquery ui plugin
[16:03:20 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark: i never use cover flow myself either. I'm trying to think about the aria needed....
[16:03:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[16:25:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: I guess Cover Flow is really just a scrolling list
[16:25:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> You stick everything in an <ol> and ensure that there are real scroll bars there
[16:25:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And then there's probably no ARIA required.
[16:26:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It's just a stylized scrollable list
[16:26:50 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ah i see...
[16:27:08 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> basically selection is styled by being in the centre position
[16:27:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Yeah, that's what I was thinking
[16:27:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I could be missing something, though.
[16:27:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess ARIA largely conveys the behaviour of a widget...
[16:28:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So does Cover Flow include some other special behaviour beyond list-y-ness and scrollability?
[16:29:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess there is one thing interesting about the interaction...
[16:29:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> essentially the scroll bar isn't focusable at all
[16:30:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so arguably, scrollability isn't really important here. It's just an ordinary selectable/activatable list
[16:30:12 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> iTunes uses a true list view of the items with the coverflow
[16:30:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> right
[16:30:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess we could pop up the AX Inspector and see how they mark it up
[16:31:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Have you used it before?
[16:31:07 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark: is there a keyboard shortcut for that
[16:31:10 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> not really no
[16:31:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Do you have the dev tools installed on your Mac?
[16:31:37 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> xtools and etc... yes
[16:31:45 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> xcode
[16:32:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Go to /Developer/Applications/Utilities/Accessibility Tools
[16:32:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Open up Accessibility Inspector
[16:32:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> You'll see the AX View hierarchy listed
[16:32:39 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> yep... got it... it changes on mouse over
[16:33:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Interestingly, it seems like Cover Flow is just not there
[16:34:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> eek, I just made Justin_o crash his computer by running the Accessibility Inspector
[16:35:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It's pretty funny to look at Breeze with the inspector. It's just a big, blank window.
[16:35:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> By "funny," I mean "horrifying."
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