fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-11-04

[16:30:33 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I imagine a lot of people are working on that now
[16:30:43 EST(-0500)] <michelled> by same I mean safe
[16:31:06 EST(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark ^
[16:31:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i'd say give people a heads up
[16:31:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and do it tomorrow am
[16:31:40 EST(-0500)] <michelled> ok
[16:32:01 EST(-0500)] <michelled> and basically we'll have source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/engage
[16:32:09 EST(-0500)] <michelled> and inside there we'll have kettle and core
[16:32:10 EST(-0500)] <michelled> ?
[16:32:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: Exactly
[16:33:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I think we should also move some other stuff to the infrastructure directory
[16:33:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> # gallery-portlet/
[16:33:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> # image-gallery/
[16:34:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And VULab is destined for the incubator one of these days
[16:34:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Then, our SVN's gonna look pretty tidy, I think.
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[08:30:00 EST(-0500)] * Topic is 'This channel is logged – for details see: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/IRC+Channel' set by jessm on 2009-11-04 08:30:00 EST(-0500)
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[09:20:02 EST(-0500)] <sveto> Justin_o: hi, I've managed to get the reordering to work, but I get a lot of css warnings and obviously the layout is looking bad, is there something special I should do before using fluid stylesheets?
[09:20:51 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto, i don't think so... but i'll see if jacob has some insight into that...
[09:21:02 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> he's just in a meeting at the momment
[09:21:14 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> what did the errors look like though
[09:22:04 EST(-0500)] <sveto> for instance I get a few "Unknown property 'zoom'. Declaration dropped.", I see that we use a zoom property and I've checked - it is not a standard css property.
[09:22:46 EST(-0500)] <sveto> I've included the stylesheets in the same order as the browse component does.
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[09:24:33 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> sveto: having some css issues?
[09:25:10 EST(-0500)] <sveto> yes, it seems that the browser encounters some unknown css properties, like zoom for instance
[09:27:33 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> are they causing issues for you?
[09:27:43 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> they're IE extensions
[09:27:57 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> for treating hasLayout property bugs
[09:28:26 EST(-0500)] <sveto> well, the layout is not too good, so I decided to start by cleaning the warnings...
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[09:29:10 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> just to be sure, the zoom property is critical for ie6 + 7 to work properly
[09:29:25 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> is there a more direct issue your having?
[09:29:34 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> do you have a link you could share?
[09:32:46 EST(-0500)] <sveto> yes - http://unistud.asteasolutions.net:11930/fluid-engage-mycollection-tryout/artifacts/myCollection.html
[09:45:26 EST(-0500)] <sveto> sorry, missed your post - I'm just trying to get the layout right.
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[09:55:42 EST(-0500)] <jessm> our build process has POM POMs?
[09:55:44 EST(-0500)] <jessm> [ERROR] FATAL ERROR
[09:55:44 EST(-0500)] <jessm> [INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[09:55:44 EST(-0500)] <jessm> [INFO] Error building POM (may not be this project's POM).
[09:55:51 EST(-0500)] <jessm> build failure
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[09:59:06 EST(-0500)] <jessm> michelled: ^
[09:59:58 EST(-0500)] <michelled> why yes - it is the Fluid project cheerleader
[10:00:09 EST(-0500)] <jessm>
[10:00:18 EST(-0500)] <michelled> thanks for the heads up - I'll look at what happened
[10:00:50 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I'm glad the e-mails are going out now - for reasons I don't understand we had been having failing builds without the email messages for a while.
[10:01:02 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I poked them yesterday and now we seem to be getting the messages
[10:01:13 EST(-0500)] <jessm> michelled: i'm glad too! it's wonderful to have things humming a more consistent tune
[10:01:20 EST(-0500)] <jessm> michelled: thanks for doing all of that
[10:01:30 EST(-0500)] <michelled> np
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[10:18:09 EST(-0500)] <boyan> jessm, all others: is there any international prefix for the dial-in number for the teleconference?
[10:18:22 EST(-0500)] <jessm> boyan: +1
[10:18:30 EST(-0500)] <boyan> and do you know what are the charges for international calls?
[10:18:39 EST(-0500)] <jessm> yikes, not sure
[10:18:45 EST(-0500)] <jessm> boyan: can you use skype?
[10:19:11 EST(-0500)] <boyan> skype tells me I have insufficient credit when I try to dial the number (with +1 prefix)
[10:19:53 EST(-0500)] <jessm> boyan: hmm, skype gives you a country option when you're dialing – can you select Canada?
[10:20:01 EST(-0500)] <jessm> it should put the prefix in for you automatically
[10:20:13 EST(-0500)] <jessm> it should probably be 011
[10:20:46 EST(-0500)] <jessm> oh, that's wrong
[10:20:49 EST(-0500)] <jessm> it's 001
[10:20:49 EST(-0500)] <boyan> jessm: yes, i choose Canada from the countries list and type the number only, it automatically adds the prefix
[10:21:12 EST(-0500)] <jessm> boyan: this is a nice site: http://www.countrycallingcodes.com/
[10:21:24 EST(-0500)] <jessm> boyan: and do you have funds on your skype acct?
[10:23:17 EST(-0500)] <jessm> boyan: this is the skype rate to call Canada: Canada $ 0.021 $ 0.024
[10:23:37 EST(-0500)] <jessm> from this site: http://www.skype.com/prices/callrates/?currency=USD#allRatesTab
[10:28:24 EST(-0500)] <boyan> jessm: no, I do not have any skype credit (a good reason for being unable to call the number)
[10:29:26 EST(-0500)] <jessm> boyan: don't worry if you can't come to the monthly teleconference – we can do it again in December. Not sure how Astea handles long distance, but we find it helpful to have a nominal amount of money in everyone's skype accounts for long distance
[10:31:15 EST(-0500)] <boyan> jessm: well, we were caught a bit by surprise by this (no long distance calls by now)
[10:31:32 EST(-0500)] <boyan> we'll buy some skype credits for next month
[10:32:13 EST(-0500)] <jessm> boyan: sorry for the late notice! this is a monthly call we do for the larger community, so we use the phone bridge to try to accommodate everyone – seems we missed mentioning it to y'all – sorry!
[10:33:24 EST(-0500)] <boyan> jessm: it's not your mistake, the announcement is on the wiki, but it seems to have slipped through
[10:33:40 EST(-0500)] <boyan> jessm: I'm sorry for not being able to participate
[10:34:07 EST(-0500)] <jessm> boyan: we'll get you in December! Here's the agenda with links – so it's probably a lot of what you already know: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Monthly+Fluid+Teleconferences
[10:35:29 EST(-0500)] <boyan> jessm: yes, I took a look at it, if there's something new, we may do a quick catch-up on the next standup or in the channel
[10:35:52 EST(-0500)] <jessm> yes
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[10:45:03 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> sveto: sorry, just got back from my meeting
[10:45:13 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> would you still like to talk about your layout?
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[10:46:34 EST(-0500)] <sveto> fj4000, yes, if you could give me some pointers how to make it look better, for instance I can't get the image sizing right
[10:47:48 EST(-0500)] <sveto> fj4000: and also if you could look at the css warnings and tell me if there is some critical issue with them.
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[10:49:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: heya
[10:49:41 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: 'sup?
[10:49:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I hear you pinged about the Uploader build breaking today.
[10:49:56 EST(-0500)] <jessm> that's hipster irc lingo
[10:50:05 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i pinged about pom poms
[10:50:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> you're pretty hip, jessm
[10:50:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yeah
[10:50:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm gonna take care of that, but I'm going to have to put it on the back burner for a bit
[10:50:32 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> sveto: so, when i hit the link, it shows up and then the image dissappears
[10:50:37 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> is this supposed to happen?
[10:50:50 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: what's happening? did something change?
[10:51:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: Well, yes and no
[10:51:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The Image Gallery build trivially depends on the Sakai master Maven "pom pom"
[10:51:54 EST(-0500)] <sveto> fj4000: what I experience is a single "no-image" image shown and after a while a grid of images is displayed (after the json is loaded)
[10:52:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I had "fixed" it previously, but didn't quite get it all
[10:52:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So it's a simple thing to resolve, but I'm going to fry bigger fish
[10:52:13 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> ah
[10:52:14 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> ok
[10:52:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> As is michelled
[10:52:22 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> i think I understand what your seeing now
[10:52:28 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> the grid layout is all wrong?
[10:52:30 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: i'm all for bigger fish
[10:53:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[10:53:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> bring on the mahi mahi
[10:53:20 EST(-0500)] * athena is going to be imagining maven files dancing at football games for the rest of the day. and now maybe while holding fish.
[10:54:04 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> sveto: big change to try:
[10:54:04 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> 1) the div container for the many many spans should be a UL
[10:54:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[10:54:16 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> 2) the fl-listmenu class name is changed to fl-list-menu
[10:54:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> fishy pom poms
[10:54:26 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> 3) the spans should be LI
[10:54:26 EST(-0500)] <athena> lol
[10:54:38 EST(-0500)] * athena likes fish. and maven
[10:54:49 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> I think that should help out a bit, sveto
[10:55:09 EST(-0500)] <sveto> fj4000: thank you, I'll try it right away
[10:55:10 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto just out of curiosity have you committed any code to svn yet?
[10:55:44 EST(-0500)] <sveto> Justin_o: no, none yet, but I still don't have a password...
[10:55:54 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto, really
[10:55:59 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> we should try to get that fixed today
[10:56:23 EST(-0500)] <sveto> Justin_o: thank you
[10:57:54 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> sveto: if you want to use a real grid to layout the images, then I should find you the class names for that.....
[10:57:55 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto: I can give you your password, did you want to skype now or after our monthly teleconfrence
[10:59:09 EST(-0500)] <sveto> Justin_o: whenever is more comfortable for you
[10:59:31 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sveto I have two minutes now if you want to do it now
[10:59:38 EST(-0500)] <sveto> ok
[10:59:48 EST(-0500)] <sveto> you got my icq
[11:11:42 EST(-0500)] <sveto> fj4000: if you could find me the classes that would be great.
[11:12:15 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> is this supposed to be a thumbnail grid or list?
[11:13:28 EST(-0500)] <sveto> a thumbnail grid
[11:13:39 EST(-0500)] <sveto> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Mobile+wireframes%2C+draft+8?showComments=true#comments
[11:13:42 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> ok, then I need to change what I said
[11:14:08 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> you might want to remove all the following class names
[11:14:50 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> 1) fl-listmenu fl-list-thumbnails fl-thumbnails-expanded from the container DIV
[11:14:57 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> 2) fl-icon from the image
[11:15:49 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> and I will find the class names that can make a grid
[11:16:35 EST(-0500)] <sveto> thank you, and what about the containing elements - should they remain div and span or ul and li?
[11:17:17 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> since I assumed you were trying to make a list before and I was wrong, you should go back to your DIV and SPAN layout for now, I think
[11:19:10 EST(-0500)] <sveto> ok, i'll need some time to track where the classees come from and change them
[11:19:37 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> do you have a non-dynamic template to test on?
[11:19:43 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> one that works without javascript?
[11:20:55 EST(-0500)] <sveto> hm, no
[11:22:13 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> sveto: can we chat?
[11:22:19 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> on skype?
[11:22:29 EST(-0500)] <sveto> sure - svetonedkov
[11:22:54 EST(-0500)] <sveto> but we were not able to hear each other with justin...
[11:24:20 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> you mean your chat with Justin didnt work?
[11:25:34 EST(-0500)] <sveto> it didn't
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[15:53:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Heads up developers:
[15:53:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled is committing changes to our Eclipse/Aptana projects to rename them.
[15:53:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Next, she'll rename the externals for fluid-all
[15:54:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> That will impact a lot of paths throughout Engage.
[15:55:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Then, she'll move engage-core and engage-kettle into https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/engage/
[15:55:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Lastly, she move Engage Kettle into a standard M2 structure, meaning all the code will be nested inside src/main
[16:05:45 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> Cool
[16:05:54 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> I should surface here a few discussions I have been having privately
[16:06:16 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> Firstly, I filed FLUID-3357 from a report from Yura and Justin about decorators failing on a UISelect component
[16:06:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon2: Please do
[16:06:27 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> I made a test case for this and committed it, but so far cannot get it to fail
[16:07:26 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> It turns out that what I said to colinclark last night about the ID for the component being adrift is no longer correct - at some early stage of the Renderer it seems that I commented out the branch which adjusts the markup ID assigned to a UISelect component to be that with "-selection"
[16:07:44 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> So it is no longer quite clear what is going on there, I have asked them to compare the test case with their code to see if they can make a case which fails
[16:07:53 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> Secondly, I have been talking to michelled about one of the Renderer tests
[16:08:11 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> I noticed that the last test, "Properties file parsing" has been failing silently for some time
[16:08:14 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> At least, on FF3.5
[16:08:36 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> Now this is an odd issue, since I was pretty sure that our Qunit stuff used to have the virtue that it was happy to accept "asynchronous" tests
[16:08:46 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> That is, tests which report in some time after the parent function has returned
[16:08:55 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> But this, if it was ever the case, doesn't seem to be the case any more