fluid-work IRC Logs-2008-04-10

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[11:45:18 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Glarg
[11:45:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Bosmon!
[11:45:26 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Why isn't a browser just a fucking program any more!
[11:45:28 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Glarg to you too!
[11:45:36 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> it is on a Mac (smile)
[11:45:42 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> So, we have got to here
[11:45:44 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> (16:42:15) Clark Kent: Michelle and Anastasia tell me that Minefield is the best approach.
[11:45:44 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> (16:42:21) Antranig: What is that
[11:45:44 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> (16:42:32) Clark Kent: I have simply switched to FF3 as my primary browser and use Portable Firefox 2 for testing.
[11:45:44 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> (16:42:45) Clark Kent: It's their nightly build.
[11:45:44 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> (16:42:56) Antranig: Is that liable to coexist with stuff better?
[11:45:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Ouch.
[11:45:46 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> (16:43:10) Clark Kent: I believe so, yes.
[11:45:48 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> (16:43:16) Clark Kent: But if you want to use the two, you have to use the profile manager.
[11:46:23 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> I installed FF3 on my system which has FF 1.5
[11:46:33 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, we have stand-up right now - we'll be back in 10 ish
[11:46:36 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> But specifically invoking the FF3 executable still starts FF 1.5
[11:46:41 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> you can join us on Breeze, if you like (smile)
[11:46:45 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> OK
[11:46:50 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Why do people keep changing colours...
[11:46:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Works for me on Opera 9.25 on Windows, too.
[11:47:43 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> http://build.fluidproject.org/sakai-imagegallery-tool/sample-code/reorderer/concrete/todo-list/sortable-styled-todo-list.html
[11:47:46 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> This exact link, right?
[11:48:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yep
[11:52:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> A real standup update from Bosmon!
[11:52:50 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> heh
[11:52:52 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> excellent!
[11:53:00 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Finally I am on the wagon
[11:53:00 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Nice to hear you, Bosmon
[11:53:06 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Or whatever kind of vehicle this is
[11:53:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> lol
[11:53:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It's a sailboat.
[11:53:22 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> I noticed by scrolling back I could find some comments from Ray on "toning down RSFisms" (tongue)
[11:53:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Yes, I didn't entirely understand his update in that regard. You'll have to chat with him when he's back from vacation.
[11:54:04 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> erm, yes
[11:54:10 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> So FF3 has now disabled my Firebug
[11:54:26 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> How on earth is one meant to have more than 1 version of this damn thing running
[11:54:31 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> It is worse than IE
[11:54:35 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> "practically"...
[11:55:16 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> to have FF2 and FF3 running simultaneously, you need to use the Profile Manager
[11:55:25 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, you're on WIndows, right?
[11:55:28 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> The sample doesn't work for me in FF3 either
[11:55:32 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> There is definitely something up here
[11:55:48 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> When I hover over a location which gives me a red bar, this is unequivocally a drop target, right?
[11:56:01 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> yes, the red bar is the drop target
[11:56:12 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> the styles are not good - we have a Jira to improve them
[11:56:45 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> For FF3, you need the Firebug 1.1 beta
[11:56:51 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> The problem is that when you release you may be over the drop marker instead of the the drop target.
[11:56:58 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> what?
[11:57:04 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> How can I tell the difference
[11:57:07 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> The drop targets in that example are the actual list items - not the container.
[11:57:09 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Isn't the red bar technically a drop marker or avatar, whereas the thing you're hovering over is the drop target?
[11:57:16 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Perhaps that's the only change we need to make
[11:57:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Or is my terminology all screwed up at this point?
[11:57:30 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> I have never successfully dropped anything anywhere
[11:57:33 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> In quite a number of trials
[11:57:44 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> the red bar is the dropMarker, it should not be a drop target itself
[11:57:47 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Aha
[11:57:48 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Now I have
[11:57:48 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> it's a drop location indicator
[11:58:03 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> I can drop exactly in those places where I get no marker
[12:00:37 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, until we implement better stylesheets, try testing using only the multi-line list items, both for dragging around and for dropping onto
[12:00:46 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> Bosmon, wrt running multiple versions of FF and profiles, have a look at: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Managing+profiles
[12:01:21 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Ok, I have dropped back to FF 1.5
[12:01:28 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Now I can see what the issue is
[12:01:42 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Is there any kind of visual feedback at all at the moment I can use to determine when I should be able to drop?
[12:02:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Bosmon: The appearance of the drop marker is the visual indication of droppability.
[12:02:59 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> when you see the red bar, you should be able to drop
[12:03:19 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> the red bar indicates where the item will end up when you drop it
[12:03:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm just firing up FF1.5 to try it out.
[12:04:07 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> in the example with the problematic styling, your mouse pointer needs to be above one of the items in the list and you should see the red bar.
[12:05:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It works quite nicely on FF1.5 for me.
[12:06:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Because of that styling bug, the interaction is a bit awkward. But it is funtional.
[12:06:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> functional.
[12:17:21 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> FF1.5? holy time machine batman
[12:26:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> davidb: Yep. It's nice to be able to support older browsers as much as possible.
[12:27:37 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: nice as in, nice to clean up after a vomit contest.
[12:27:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I like Yahoo!'s graded browser support as inspiration for support.
[12:27:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/
[12:27:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> davidb: Gross. Yet funny.
[12:28:05 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> that's me!
[12:28:27 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: GWT now with aria (xtech posting)
[12:28:37 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> theclown probably mentioned it
[12:28:59 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> davidb, not yet. but you just did.
[12:29:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> davidb: Yes, I'd heard about that from our Kuali Student collaborators.
[12:29:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> They use GWT and were happy to hear about its pending ARIA support.
[12:29:25 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> coolio
[12:30:38 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: looks like yui has removed A-grade support for ff 1.5
[12:30:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Yes, they have.
[12:31:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> At least for the Reorderer, we seem to be lucky in regards to FF1.5 support.
[12:31:07 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> cool
[12:31:18 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> no vomit to clean up
[13:26:42 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> OK
[13:27:00 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Darn
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[13:30:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Darn?
[13:40:36 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> How did you reply to that (tongue)
[13:40:43 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> You couldn't have witnessed it (smile)
[14:11:51 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> A little bird told him. Or perhaps a fish ...
[15:47:43 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> everyone: I found an eight-sided fruit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_anise
[16:02:26 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Yes!!! And it's yummy too. But do spices count at fruit?
[16:06:00 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> michelled, the wikipedia article refers to it as fruit. So it must be fruit. :-P Any botanists around?
[17:40:05 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> bye, all
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