fluid-work IRC Logs-2008-04-21

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[10:37:29 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: did the fluid team ever sit back and think about all the different UI events, and states, and how to tackle styling of widgets, in a keyboard/mouse harmony?
[10:37:48 EDT(-0400)] * davidb orders a shot of tequila
[10:38:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> davidb: that's a very abstract question. (tongue)
[10:38:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> so my answer is "yes"
[10:38:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> (wink)
[10:38:23 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> fair enuff
[10:38:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> What are you thinking, more concretely?
[10:38:40 EDT(-0400)] * colinclark was just kidding.
[10:38:46 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> i'm considering the problem space. there must be nice abstractions (code) for tackling this space
[10:39:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Tell me more about the space as you see it.
[10:39:05 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> maybe it isn't that hard
[10:39:31 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: it is just an issue raised on dojo... (we're meeting)
[10:39:55 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> it shouldn't be that hard to make usable, slick, accessible, consistent ui.
[10:39:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm really curious. I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
[10:40:42 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> ok... consider, hover, focus, blur, active, interplay...
[10:40:49 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> and styling...
[10:41:08 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> basically you want it all to work nicely, consistently, and without ugliness.
[10:41:20 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> but for some reason... things go awry
[10:41:41 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> i'm thinking there must be a pattern here.
[10:41:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I haven't thought about anything more general yet. It's certainly complicacted.
[10:42:03 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> yeah... i'll pop back when this is less abstract.
[10:42:12 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> hi phiggins
[10:42:25 EDT(-0400)] <phiggins> hi
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[10:54:12 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> davidb, colinclark, to make it less abstracter, here is one specific issue: how do you define a theme/skin that looks aesthetic, but still works when you change to high contrast mode?
[10:54:23 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> s/abstracter/abstract/
[10:55:12 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> theclown: i'm not sure that's the main issue
[10:55:42 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> or: a magnified view (large fonts, for example) that still works in the theme.
[10:55:43 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> theclown: and you need to define "works" (smile)
[10:56:04 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> works = is still aesthetically pleasing.
[10:56:06 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> theclown: you probably know the answer (smile) (use ems)
[10:56:26 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> theclown: windows high contrast mode is not aesthetically pleasing to my eye period. (smile)
[10:57:04 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> davidb, i'm not claiming it's the main issue; i'm just trying to make the issue less abstract. there are probably many issues under the heading "all the different UI events, and states, and how to tackle styling of widgets, in a keyboard/mouse harmony?"
[10:57:54 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> theclown: then mission accomplished (smile) i have a tendancy to tackle the problem, instead of treat it as an example (smile)
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[12:43:51 EDT(-0400)] <RayDavis> colinclark: Some embedded tags got swallowed in your http://fluidproject.org/blog/2008/04/20/fluid-and-javascript-toolkits/ post.
[12:44:28 EDT(-0400)] <RayDavis> "For more sophisticated interfaces, generic tags such as and rarely provide..."
[12:45:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> RayDavis: Ah, yes
[12:45:09 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'll fix those shortly.
[12:45:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Thanks for reading the post over.
[12:45:25 EDT(-0400)] <RayDavis> Thanks for writing it. (smile)
[12:45:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm also going to "refactor" it to move the a11y digression out into a separate wiki page.
[12:45:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It breaks the flow.
[12:56:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> davidb: John Resig has just launched a new JavaScript ninja jobs site.
[12:56:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> davidb: Do you have any spare cycles to post our job to the site?
[13:42:51 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: no but i can. want to send me the correct verbiage? or do i just copy the ajaxian one?
[13:43:06 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> "spare cycles"
[13:43:11 EDT(-0400)] * davidb laughs maniacally
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[14:16:20 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: posted. you'll get an email asking verification
[14:19:17 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: double check the location for the job, the editor kept resetting to boston.
[14:20:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> davidb: http://jobs.jsninja.com/job/39/web-user-interface-developer-at-university-of-toronto/
[14:20:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It is indeed listed as Boston, MA
[14:20:33 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> bah
[14:20:43 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: maybe that's why so many are.
[14:21:27 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: the act of changing that link while you were here probably reset it. grrrr.
[14:22:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> davidb: It's definitely my fault. (wink)
[14:22:44 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: i'm growling at the web app
[14:22:53 EDT(-0400)] * colinclark was kidding.
[14:22:56 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: hopefully the email you receive allows you to edit it (smile)
[14:22:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> No worries
[14:23:20 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> well, i think we would rather attract people who want to work in toronto (smile) sigh
[14:26:07 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: now it is listed in "" (nowhere)
[14:26:23 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> which is a cool place to be
[14:26:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> davidb: I'm working on it.
[14:26:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And thoroughly distracted by everyone.
[14:27:07 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> great... as long as i know i'm not holding the ball.
[14:27:09 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> (smile)
[14:35:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> davidb: It refused to take any reasonable variation on Toronto.
[14:36:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So we'll leave it blank. "University of Toronto" should be enough.
[14:36:08 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: makes sense
[14:39:57 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: chris hoffman messaged me today to say he has jquery svn access but didn't know that he had it. or when.
[14:40:16 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> i don't even know if there is a process. maybe anyone can get commit access through google account
[14:42:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> davidb: I guess the question is, SVN access to the plugins space, or to jQuery core?
[14:42:43 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: good pt
[14:42:52 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: is jqueryui in the plugin space?
[14:42:59 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> (in svn)
[14:43:09 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> davidb: I don't think so. I think there's a separate plugins repository.
[14:43:26 EDT(-0400)] * davidb fires up eclipse
[14:43:46 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: right, fx,jquery,plugins,themes,tools,ui
[14:43:50 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> siblings
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[15:57:31 EDT(-0400)] <simonwang> Hello! I'm Simon Wang from UBC. Can someone tell me where I can download Fluid 0.3?
[15:58:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> simonwang: Welcome!
[15:58:39 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Hi Simon! Nice to see you here. (smile)
[15:59:11 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> We are in the final stretch before the Fluid 0.3 release right now.
[15:59:13 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> (smile)
[15:59:29 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> You can see our progress in our bug tracker:
[15:59:57 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> http://issues.fluidproject.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&amp;requestId=10035
[16:00:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> simonwang: You can check out our trunk code from here: https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/components/
[16:00:27 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> simonwang: what were you hoping to do with the 0.3 release of Fluid?
[16:04:11 EDT(-0400)] <simonwang> michelled, I am working part time on the Fluid project, and when I tested the Lightbox from the 0.1 release I found some issues. I would like to see if these issues exist in the 0.3 working/pre-release version.
[16:04:36 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> simonwang: Great!
[16:04:42 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> great! that's awesome!
[16:04:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> If you want to see a working build, you can check out our daily build server:
[16:04:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> http://build.fluidproject.org
[16:04:58 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> We have a nightly build of fluid
[16:05:07 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Colin beat me to it (smile)
[16:05:27 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Or check out the trunk and give it a try.
[16:06:10 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> we are also trying to refine our documentation for the release and we'd love feedback - especially from someone with fresh eyes.
[16:06:54 EDT(-0400)] <simonwang> Thanks to everyone, I will try the nightly build version.
[16:11:28 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks to you simonwang!
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