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[09:29:12 EST(-0500)] <joan2> hi james.
[09:32:44 EST(-0500)] <joan2> james, justin: about the artifact comments section of engage 0.3, is the keyboard a component itself?, So in those pages (tags, components) 2 components are in the page?
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[09:36:22 EST(-0500)] <joan2> hi michelle.
[09:39:01 EST(-0500)] <boyan1> michelled: I linted my js files and get the following error: Problem at line 15 character 1: Read only. fluid_1_2 = fluid_1_2 || {};
[09:39:07 EST(-0500)] <boyan1> seems like that is normal
[09:39:37 EST(-0500)] <boyan1> (other files have it too)
[09:39:39 EST(-0500)] <michelled> yes, boyan1, I've seen that before. I can't remember what caused it
[09:41:25 EST(-0500)] <boyan1> michelled: then should we add it to http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Coding+and+Commit+Standards, know JSLint issues section?
[09:41:34 EST(-0500)] <michelled> boyan1: one thing I noticed is that your files have mixed tabs and spaces. We decided to use 4 spaces instead of tabs simply for consistency. it's difficult to select a style in a community so we actually just went with Douglas Crockford's style
[09:42:00 EST(-0500)] <boyan1> yes, I corrected that today
[09:42:14 EST(-0500)] <michelled> thanks for fixing that
[09:42:19 EST(-0500)] <michelled> you're quick
[09:42:34 EST(-0500)] <boyan1> michelled: I am now trying to get Aptana always insert spaces instead of tabs
[09:42:44 EST(-0500)] <michelled> the problem with trying to keep the jslint notes on the wiki up to date is that they change so often
[09:43:07 EST(-0500)] <boyan1> do you know a quick way to do that (configure Aptana w. spaces)
[09:43:48 EST(-0500)] <joan2> james, justin: engage/artifact/(tags, comments) do they have a server peace? on kettle?
[09:45:12 EST(-0500)] <michelled> boyan1: I know that I did it but can't seem to figure out where right now
[09:45:54 EST(-0500)] <boyan1> michelled: don't worry, I'll figure it out
[09:46:01 EST(-0500)] <michelled> joan2: hi, http://build.fluidproject.org:8095/engage/demo/index.html is the nightly served version of engage
[09:46:03 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> joan2: Hello, i would imagine that it would need to communicate with the server to both get the data and save the data
[09:46:32 EST(-0500)] <joan2> ok
[09:46:48 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> joan2: at the moment the artifact view page shows the tags for an artifact, this is pulled from the museums data
[09:47:20 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> it hasn't yet been confirmed that we will support user tagging, so the comments part is more important at this time
[09:47:39 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> jameswy: could you confirm this
[09:49:24 EST(-0500)] <joan2> boyan: Aptana > Window > Preferences > search (tabs) > you get: "Text Editors Page" and a checkbox says "Insert spaces for tabs"
[09:49:55 EST(-0500)] <michelled> thanks joan2
[09:50:25 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> joan2, Justin_o: it seems likely that we'll have tag reading but not necessarily writing (at least from the mobile device); comments is more important at this point, yes
[09:50:40 EST(-0500)] <joan2> michelle: no problem. :-D
[09:50:49 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> jameswy: thanks
[09:51:17 EST(-0500)] <joan2> comments are stored in coachDB too?
[09:52:31 EST(-0500)] <michelled> boyan1: one other minor thing I notice. We have a convention for default selector names. it was actually a little difficult to find the reference on the wiki
[09:52:33 EST(-0500)] <michelled> The template for FLUID selectors looks like flc-[componentName][thing][role]-[state], with the same rules as FSS selectors.
[09:52:43 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> joan2: i think so. Although keep in mind that an institution integrating engage may choose to use a different database than couchDB
[09:52:45 EST(-0500)] <michelled> that was from this page: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Class+Name+Conventions
[09:53:54 EST(-0500)] <joan2> justin: do you expect json form data or xml?
[09:54:25 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> joan2: Probably JSON
[09:55:03 EST(-0500)] <joan2> justin: and the integration with other databases / data endpoints is processed on kettle?
[09:57:24 EST(-0500)] <michelled> boyan1: thanks for documenting our decision to use Kettle for Decapod so well on the JIRA ticket.
[09:58:07 EST(-0500)] <michelled> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3318 - for anyone who's curious
[09:58:52 EST(-0500)] <boyan1> michelled: I read the convention once, but couldn't find it when I wrote the class names in the html and tried to recover it by memory
[09:58:56 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> joan2: do you mean that kettle itself should handle the database stuff or that the code for that will be run on the server as opposed to the client
[09:59:07 EST(-0500)] <boyan1> I will now try to follow it
[09:59:34 EST(-0500)] <michelled> thanks boyan1
[10:02:59 EST(-0500)] <boyan1> michelled, jessm: are you going to jump in in Breeze for the Decapod meeting
[10:03:01 EST(-0500)] <joan2> justin: may be interesting to leave, in the server part, the integration with data endpoints [servers] and stablish our kind-of-own-data protocol (query, insert, update)?
[10:08:46 EST(-0500)] <sveto> yura: hi, I'm trying to install lucene for couchdb and read your note about the indexing directory, I concluded that this is /usr/local/var/lib/couchdb/ for me and gave it write access for everyone, but I continue to receive cryptic erlang errors that seem to come from the indexer. so is this the right index directory?
[10:12:02 EST(-0500)] <sveto> yura: I also receive an error message stating that there is main file in the manifest file in the lucene jar, could this be the problem?
[10:12:13 EST(-0500)] <sveto> yura: there is no main file
[10:13:33 EST(-0500)] <joan2> justin: the answer to your latest question: i don't know (how works to get couchDB artifacts info?), and a diferent remote store may need webservices or something similar (may java api's help in these case) !?
[10:14:46 EST(-0500)] <yura> sveto: hmm which version of couchdb-lucene are you using
[10:15:06 EST(-0500)] <sveto> yura: 0.5-SNAPSHOT
[10:15:34 EST(-0500)] <yura> sveto: we tried this yesterday wit Justin_o and we couldn't make it work either
[10:15:58 EST(-0500)] <sveto> yura: so should I try an older version?
[10:16:02 EST(-0500)] <yura> sveto: also i m pretty sure that the reason indexing doesnt work is because of permissions, but i have to double check
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[10:16:11 EST(-0500)] <yura> I would try 0.4 or 0.4-maints
[10:16:22 EST(-0500)] <yura> depending on your couchdb version
[10:16:48 EST(-0500)] <sveto> yura: it's 0.10.0
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[10:17:15 EST(-0500)] <yura> sveto: i think for 0.10 you would need 0.4-maints which is a branch of 0.4
[10:17:25 EST(-0500)] <yura> it has some extra fixes
[10:18:33 EST(-0500)] <sveto> yura: ok, I'll try it now
[10:19:31 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> joan2: you could take a look at what we've done for the browse and view components, and how they pull from couchdb. I'm currently working on something that will page the data returned from couchdb (or pulled from couchdb). Not sure if that answers you question but some sort of interface into the database is probably a good idea
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[10:24:58 EST(-0500)] <joan2> justin: thanks, i'll see the code. Is in fluid-all?
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[10:26:10 EST(-0500)] <justin_o_> joan2: yes... you can look at the services inside of fluid-engage-kettle and the components under fluid-engage-core
[10:28:16 EST(-0500)] <joan2> ok
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[11:20:34 EST(-0500)] <joan2> hi. i'm trying to install couchDB but the required packages to build it wan to de-install firefox 3.5. Is this right?
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[11:24:28 EST(-0500)] <justin_o_> joan2: sorry about the delayed response... i don't think you want to do that
[11:25:03 EST(-0500)] <justin_o_> yura and i are trying to setup another instance of couchdb-lucene at the moment and have been having a bunch of trouble
[11:25:20 EST(-0500)] <joan2> justin: but, don't we need couchDB as a persistence server?
[11:26:02 EST(-0500)] <justin_o_> yes... we are trying to test the latest versions
[11:26:12 EST(-0500)] <justin_o_> this won't affect the one that is there now
[11:26:28 EST(-0500)] <justin_o_> joan2: ^
[11:26:45 EST(-0500)] <joan2> justin: so the code points to 1 already deployed couchDB server?
[11:28:56 EST(-0500)] <justin_o_> yes... that is correct
[11:29:13 EST(-0500)] <justin_o_> joan2: ^
[11:30:53 EST(-0500)] <sveto> yura: just to let you know - it worked with lucene 0.4
[12:02:32 EST(-0500)] <justin_o_> joan2: are you going to join the dev meeting, it's starting now in the breeze channel
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[12:03:28 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon2> Hi
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[12:06:24 EST(-0500)] <joan2> yes
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[13:46:31 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: did you have a minute to talk about some engage stuff
[13:50:07 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> colinclark et al: I've been listening to the "official" jQuery podcast this morning as I walked to work. Resig has a very interesting 10 or so minutes where he talks about plans for a "mobile jQuery" and the challenges of getting good numbers on browsers, etc. It's worth a listen (about 40 minutes in, I think) http://blog.jquery.com/2009/11/13/announcing-the-official-jquery-podcast/
[13:50:43 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> I'll post to Fluid-talk
[13:50:49 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> better venue
[13:51:04 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> elicochran: thanks
[13:51:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> elicochran: fluid-work is the right venue for that
[13:51:44 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> OK
[13:51:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We've repurposed fluid-talk as a medium-traffic list for our various stakeholder groups
[13:52:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Resig talked about mobile support at the jQuery conference, and it was very interesting.
[13:52:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Thanks so much for pointing it out
[13:52:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: yes, for sure
[13:52:19 EST(-0500)] <elicochran> colinclark: makes sense
[13:52:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I've got to go on campus to meet some visitors
[13:52:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But I looked briefly at your list of new components and it looked sensible
[13:52:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Anything specific you want to chat about?
[13:53:08 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: okay... thanks... just one quick question before you leave... i missed the part about the paging stuff because it cut up a bit
[13:53:31 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> so you said i should assume that the url might change but the query parameters would be the same?
[13:53:37 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> is that correct
[13:53:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: I think that's reasonable, yes
[13:53:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The point being that query params form part of the contract with the service
[13:54:04 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> ah okay...
[13:54:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And the contract is, in essence, defined by Couch
[13:54:29 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> i see... so i can make assumptions based on couch's implementation then
[13:54:29 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> {color}
[13:54:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Pretty much, yes
[13:54:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We can evaluate each of the assumptions and see if there's a way to make them flexible
[13:55:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But Couch is the "data feed for free," and then we can abstract a little from there to support other data feeds
[13:55:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Take a look at that Victoria & Albert museum feed I posted in Breeze chat
[13:55:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> http://www.vam.ac.uk/api
[13:55:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Just so you can see other examples how paging is done
[13:55:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But Couch is going to drive the nature of our contracts
[13:55:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and give people the implementation for free, too
[13:56:15 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> okay... thanks... that seems to make sense... i'm interested in seeing, next week, how the IoC stuff will change engage...
[13:56:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: For sure. It's pretty exciting, and should be pretty straightforward.
[13:56:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> In short, there is a new block of configuration, registered by a call to fluid.demands
[13:56:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Which lists three things:
[13:57:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 1. A context (usually another component), 2. The component type itself, 3. The list of arguments that the dependent object needs from its parent.
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[13:57:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok, gotta run
[13:57:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> but it looks like you're on track, justin_o
[13:57:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[13:57:53 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: thanks...
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