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fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-08-24

fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-08-24

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[11:03:05 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> are we having a dev meeting??
[11:03:14 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> colinclark?
[11:03:26 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> oh, good question
[11:03:37 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> we're a pretty small group this week
[11:03:39 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> we're a bit thin on the ground this week
[11:04:06 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> i know what i'm up to
[11:04:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fj4000, laurel, yura, anastasiac: Anyone have code they want to talk through, show off, or share?
[11:04:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We're in the middle of an Engage/Infusion iteration, so everyone should have lots of tasks on their plate.
[11:04:37 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> im trying to put out some fires with my existing stuff (tongue)
[11:04:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We can definitely meet to chat about specific topics or code.
[11:04:43 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> so nothing to show off at the moment
[11:04:45 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> maybe next week
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[11:04:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fj4000: What fires are you putting out? (smile)
[11:05:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm in the midst of dealing with the Image Reorderer fiasco.
[11:05:10 EDT(-0400)] <yura> colinclark: I wouldn't mind talk about kettle if you want (smile) ?
[11:05:11 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> i just found that the file extension overrites static files' content type
[11:05:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> What a disaster: ancient documentation, code that uses an archaic convention, broken code, etc.
[11:05:27 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> which is not what i was hoping for the screen navigator
[11:05:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Ok, well, let's meet for a few minutes in Connect.
[11:05:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Yura can talk about Kettle
[11:05:42 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> cool
[11:05:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fj4000 and I can show what we're doing with Image Reorderer for 1.2
[11:05:51 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> (smile)
[11:05:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> see you there in a sec
[11:06:34 EDT(-0400)] <yura> colinclark: not so much talk (smile) , just discuss in case anyone else tried Antranig's latest revision
[11:06:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Do you have any CollectionSpace code you want to share or talk about now that you're freshly back from vacation?
[11:06:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yura: ok
[11:06:58 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> colinclark, I'm still trying to catch up, and remember where I was, so maybe not
[11:07:06 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> but I'll sit in, to listen about Image Reorderer
[11:07:15 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> sounds like some doc/tutorial updating is required
[11:07:22 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> and I want to get back into docs for 1.2 soon
[13:18:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yura: Quick question for you if you've got the time.
[13:20:58 EDT(-0400)] <yura> hey colinclark, go ahead
[13:21:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So I'm thinking about how we can avoid regressions like the ones I encountered with the Image Reorderer...
[13:21:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We used to have a little Sakai application that we used to ensure that the component was communicating properly with the server.
[13:22:07 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But maintaining a full build of Sakai along with an old tool abandoned by Berkeley became to onerous, so we just stopped.
[13:22:20 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And then we had a regression in which the Ajax calls back to the server broke in Image Reorderer.
[13:22:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So my question to you:
[13:23:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Do you think we're at a point now with Kettle where I could build a super-simple server to help with testing? Something that would simply respond to Ajax requests and prove that our callbacks are working, etc.
[13:23:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Could I do that, say, tomorrow while on the train?
[13:23:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> (smile)
[13:26:45 EDT(-0400)] <yura> hmm, the way I understand it, kettle right now is able to service http requests, at least a single servlet that is being hosted in jetty
[13:28:09 EDT(-0400)] <yura> so for you to be able to have a server that responds to Ajax requests you would need your custom servlet
[13:28:46 EDT(-0400)] <yura> it could be done at this point i think, but i m still looking into the url issues when loading in resources
[13:30:03 EDT(-0400)] <yura> colinclark: is that what you meant?
[13:30:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yep
[13:30:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> it seems to me we should be ready to go with it, then
[13:30:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i'll try it out
[13:32:42 EDT(-0400)] <yura> colinclark: oh, and rhino debugger is fun (smile)
[13:32:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Glad to hear it's working (smile)
[13:33:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> How does it compare to Firebug, in your opinion?
[13:34:18 EDT(-0400)] <yura> well there's only javascript , so there's no browser specific stuff, and it's pretty basic, so there are features such as hovering over the variable and being able to see the value etc.
[13:34:32 EDT(-0400)] <yura> i mean there are no features like that
[13:48:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I like those hover features, but I always forget to use them. So I guess it's not such a big deal.
[13:49:00 EDT(-0400)] <yura> no not at all, it works just as you would expect from a debugger
[13:51:14 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> Bosmo1: are you around to help with a renderer problem?
[13:57:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> laurel: Bosmo1 is away on vacation this week.
[14:24:58 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> thx colinclark.
[14:34:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Image Reorderer is even adding ARIA in a problematic way. This code essentially needs to be rewritten from the ground up.
[14:37:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fj4000: Quick question for you
[14:38:56 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> sure thing
[14:40:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> In the new Image Reorderer example...
[14:41:02 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yup
[14:41:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> you renamed the flc- selector for the Image title from flc-reorderer-imageTitle to flc-imageReorderer-caption
[14:41:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> What's your rationale?
[14:41:52 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> i thought caption is the correct word, as opposed to "image" + "title"
[14:42:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yeah, it's a lot better for sure
[14:42:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But I think it's an API change.
[14:42:28 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ach
[14:42:41 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok, i didnt think it was that far reaching
[14:42:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> In other words, if users were to keep their markup the same but upgrade to Infusion 1.2, it would break.
[14:42:53 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> i could revert it
[14:42:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I think we should switch it back, despite the fact that I think it's better.
[14:43:03 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Yeah, if you have a sec that would be really helpful.
[14:43:05 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok, sure
[14:44:11 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> i can keep the fl-*-caption class name though, right?
[14:44:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yep
[14:44:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> should be fine
[14:44:17 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> that shouldnt effect anything
[14:44:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Thanks so much. Sorry to ask you to do that; I just think we should only make breaking API changes carefully and only for major releases (i.e. for Infusion 2.0)
[14:45:24 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> what about any othe rflc changes
[14:45:25 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> flc
[14:45:30 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> i think i changed
[14:45:39 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> flc-imageReorderer-item
[14:45:40 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> too
[14:45:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> As far as I can tell, those'll be just fine
[14:46:09 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok
[14:46:09 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Since, as far as most users are concerned, there never was a selector for an item
[14:46:25 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok, so the caption was specifically breaking?
[14:48:08 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> im committing the old flc- class name now
[14:49:53 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> done
[15:08:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> thank!
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[16:05:21 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> fj4000: ping
[16:06:06 EDT(-0400)] <laurel> fj4000: ping again
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