fluid-work IRC Logs-2008-10-31

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[08:07:45 EDT(-0400)] * Topic is 'Trunk is frozen - 0.6 beta 1 release today' set by michelled on 2008-10-31 08:07:45 EDT(-0400)
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[09:17:34 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> I upload a patch for 1065, could someone have a look and commit if allowed?
[09:20:18 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jacobfarber: my guess is that this won't make it in to the beta... but you can talk to anastasiac after she comes in
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[09:28:08 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> Justin_o, sure thing - I just wanted to put it out there
[09:29:05 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay... thanks
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[09:45:15 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> Another patch for FLUID-1624 is available
[09:45:21 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> for anyone to review and commit
[09:45:39 EDT(-0400)] * jacobfarber1 nudges anastasiac
[09:46:06 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac looks up briefly from the release process
[09:46:35 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> jacobfarber1, we're at the point of testing the bundles in preparation for tagging the code.
[09:47:25 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'll defer to Justin_o as to whether or not FLUID-1624 warrants stopping the release process at this point
[09:47:55 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> im sure it doesnt
[09:48:17 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> but he said you were the go-to guy for committing patches, so I just wanted to ensure they didnt slip away
[09:49:21 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I'm thinking we are too far along now for it to be implemented
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[09:56:59 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> jacobfarber1, michelled, I'm updating the readme, etc. with the list of 'what's new in this release'
[09:57:14 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> what are we officially calling the themes/skinning system?
[09:57:22 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> more specifically, what should I say is in this release?
[09:57:29 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> "a preview of..."
[09:58:12 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I'll defer to jacobfarber1.
[09:58:16 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> different that the preferable system component right?
[09:58:55 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> right - only referring to what's in trunk now
[09:58:58 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> I was calling it the fluid skinning system before (fss)
[09:59:18 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> what do you think?
[09:59:23 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> sounds nice and catchy
[09:59:29 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1>
[09:59:37 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> I like anything with a good acronym
[10:05:21 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> Justin_o: can you tell me what the expected result should be for FLUID-987?
[10:07:46 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I believe it should be a move cursor (e.g. a hand)
[10:07:55 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> ok
[10:08:03 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thanks
[10:08:08 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> then isnt this a problem in all browsers?
[10:08:11 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> not just opera?
[10:08:38 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> i;ll just fix it anyways....it deosnt really matter
[10:10:22 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i think you're right i just noticed it in FF3... it may just not have been updated after the initial discovery
[10:17:07 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> np
[10:17:19 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> the fix is universal anyway
[10:22:05 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> Justin_o : when resolving something as a duplciate, is there anythign special I need to do other that just say the resolution = duplicate
[10:22:17 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> and comment which one its duplicating?
[10:22:51 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I like to create a duplicate link to the other jira first... then you can see it from both... do you know how to do that
[10:22:59 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> um, no
[10:23:24 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> Link from the sidebar?
[10:23:30 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes.. that's right
[10:23:33 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> ok
[10:23:37 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> and select duplicates from the drop down
[10:23:56 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> you have to have looked at the other jira to select it though
[10:24:19 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> ah
[10:24:24 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> very very nice
[10:26:13 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> and I noticed fluid 132 should not be a subtask of 1439..
[10:26:35 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> does it need to be "converted" as the sidebar offers?
[10:27:06 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes... you have to convert it back to a bug
[10:27:17 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> ok
[10:31:31 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> does anyone know what to do with FLUID-1333? It seems more like a suggestion that a bug report....?
[10:32:24 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I tagged it with design-watched which gets put on the wiki for the designers to look at... i'm not sure if they have started using it or not...
[10:32:33 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I think this is likely a design issue though
[10:32:38 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> yes
[10:32:50 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> so I should move it out of 1439 then
[10:32:54 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> correct?
[10:34:05 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> I could change it from a sub-task to an "improvement"
[10:34:10 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> unless anyone objects
[10:34:39 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i don't have any objects
[10:34:42 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> objections
[10:34:45 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1>
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[11:14:10 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> Just a general question to everyone: could CSS be considered a form of a View in a Model/View/Controller setup?
[11:20:35 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> What?!
[11:21:25 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> Turns out it fits the idea perfectly: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001112.html
[11:21:40 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> i was wondering this before, when Colin was mentioning it with the renderer
[11:21:49 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> and im not 100% familiar with MVC
[11:25:11 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> It belongs.... "in the view layer"
[11:25:16 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> It is not a "form of a View"
[11:25:29 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Since it, in itself, is not a representation of anything
[11:25:36 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> oh, yes
[11:25:38 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> I mean, CSS, in itself, has no visual form
[11:25:51 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> im not fluent with these semantics - still learning what everything's called
[11:37:59 EDT(-0400)] * Topic is 'Piglet as BATDOG, complete with wings!' set by colinclark on 2008-10-31 11:37:59 EDT(-0400)
[11:44:26 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> http://www.fotothing.com/Batdog/photo/6b43076e28755e1b6bfd681f857f735c/
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[12:17:27 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> jessm: Are there pictures of Piglet as BATDOG?
[12:17:33 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I want them and I want them now!
[12:18:43 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> coming...
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[12:50:01 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> jacobfarber1, got a minute for some css help?
[12:52:18 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> oh
[12:52:20 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> sorry
[12:52:26 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> didnt see the notification
[12:52:28 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> could you look at http://fluidproject.org/index.php/downloads for a sec?
[12:52:51 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> the box with an outline at the top is a div
[12:52:51 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> sure
[12:53:00 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> running through the sidebar?
[12:53:02 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I want its width to adjust to only be as wide as the text
[12:53:09 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> yes, I don't want it to run through the sidebar
[12:53:22 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> what can I do?
[12:54:04 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1>
[12:54:21 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> its a little tricksy
[12:54:43 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> any suggestions?
[12:55:13 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> yes, but I need a sec to write it all out
[12:55:22 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac is patient
[12:56:39 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> ok, how about this simple thing
[12:56:43 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> on the div
[12:56:50 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> put margin-right:230px
[12:57:06 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> oo! that's the ticket!
[12:57:09 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac tries it
[12:57:11 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1>
[12:57:27 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> it works in IE too?
[12:57:53 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> looks beautiful in Firefox - thanks!
[12:57:56 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'll test IE
[12:57:59 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> you're a genius!
[12:58:04 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> wow!
[12:58:16 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> if been called a lot of things...but genius is not one of them
[12:58:39 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> looks good in IE7
[12:58:49 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> beauty!
[12:58:51 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> thanks so much!
[12:59:02 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber1> no, thank you!
[12:59:29 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Enough of the mutual admiration society here
[13:51:41 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> sleepy batdog: http://jessmitchell.com/blog/?p=103
[14:15:08 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> I have been roaming round the office morosely, armed with a copy of fluid-components on an outrageously slow USB stick...
[14:15:29 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> why morose?
[14:17:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Boz is having a rough day today, debugging IE issues.
[14:17:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And since he is a proud preserver of IE 5.0, it requires use of other machines with less antiquated operating systems and browsers.
[14:19:22 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> A couple of the tests actually pass in IE5
[14:19:47 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> None which actually involve any rendering, unfortunately
[14:20:32 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Thatnks for dealing with that licence, AC
[14:23:52 EDT(-0400)] <jessm>
[14:46:56 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, just tried out your fix to the Renderer IE problems - lovely!
[14:49:40 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Thank fuck
[14:49:44 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Pardon my French
[14:50:15 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Oh, a useful tip, to all those who are trying to debug test cases in IE
[14:50:26 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> It helps a great deal to comment out the try/catch block inside testrunner.js
[14:50:40 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Since the Visual Evil Debugger will only break on uncaught errors
[14:59:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> BATDOG!
[15:09:26 EDT(-0400)] * Topic is '0.6beta1 is out! Yay! Happy Halloween, all' set by anastasiac on 2008-10-31 15:09:26 EDT(-0400)
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[17:23:49 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> happy hallowe'en to all!
[17:23:53 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> BOO!
[17:23:57 EDT(-0400)] <theclown> ttfn
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