fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-08-13

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[10:35:10 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> does the atrc have a leopard OS cd i could use for my imac at home? need to upgrade to run eclipse
[10:37:48 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> heidi: I'd check in with Bert - he'd know
[10:38:14 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> will do - thanks m
[10:46:28 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> np
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[11:52:22 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so why would the height of an li in an inline formatted ul not honor the height+padding of the <a> it contains?
[11:52:37 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the <a> tag has a height of 1em+6px
[11:52:44 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the <li> reports a height of 1em
[11:55:21 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i think it's hard to specify height/padding on non-box-type elements sometimes?
[11:58:47 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> hrm
[11:59:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I guess I'm at a loss for how to deal with positioning and sizing the tabs in uPortal
[11:59:15 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ugh.
[11:59:15 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
[11:59:34 EDT(-0400)] <athena> and that's one thing that changed between 3.0 and 3.1 - the tabs used to be absolutely positioned and now they're not
[12:00:25 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> oh well, time for a meeting, I'll dig into it more when I get back
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[12:21:37 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> EricDalquist: we're using the fss tabs to handle these types of things
[12:21:47 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> athena is right
[12:21:59 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> padding is not respected on inline elements
[12:22:05 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I think these are too
[12:22:10 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I see fl-tabs
[12:22:12 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i think gary reconfigured the uportal theme to use fss-tabs as of 3.1
[12:22:16 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and fl-activeTab
[12:22:17 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and such
[12:22:30 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> then they should expand, I would think....
[12:22:35 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> do you have an url for me to see?
[12:22:46 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> sure ... I can have one up in a few minutes
[12:22:49 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> they are expanding
[12:22:50 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> thank you
[12:23:02 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the problem I'm having is getting the tab bar to sit nicely on top of the div below it
[12:23:16 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I can get it working on one config then it is off by a px or two on another
[12:23:45 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> IE will ruin the most valiant attempts at doing this (tongue)
[12:24:03 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> the thing is to use different display types for different browsers, i think
[12:24:13 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> inline-block for those that support it
[12:24:42 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> but its hard to tell without seeing it in action
[12:24:57 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> uploading the static version to a public place now ...
[12:25:08 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> thanks!
[12:25:18 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> thank you!
[12:30:14 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah the ivy theme is still a mess
[12:30:18 EDT(-0400)] <athena> in IE anyway
[12:30:25 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> are iframes accessible?
[12:30:26 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i fixed the tabs in firefox, but IE was just beyond me
[12:31:12 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ubuntu webdav is SLOW
[12:31:43 EDT(-0400)] <athena> webdav in general is painful on most systems
[12:31:59 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> EricDalquist: is it still uploading?
[12:32:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[12:32:15 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lots of little files
[12:32:19 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> (tongue)
[12:32:21 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> which webdav is not so good at
[12:32:31 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I probably don't need most of them
[12:32:34 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I was just lazy
[12:32:45 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok, pls ping me when you think i can look at it.....im going to jump away for a second
[12:35:46 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> fj4000: https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/dalquist/web/MUM_UI/mum31a/normal.html
[12:39:52 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the two issues I'm dealing with are getting the tabs to sit nicely on top of the div below them
[12:40:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and then getting the flyouts to appear immediately under the tabs consistently
[12:41:00 EDT(-0400)] <athena> the flyout stuff may have partly to do w/ that flyout menu we have
[12:41:13 EDT(-0400)] <athena> the custom js, i mean
[12:41:29 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ah
[12:41:31 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[12:41:34 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I was looking at it
[12:41:46 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and wondering if it is using the wrong element position attributes
[12:43:03 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that link does have an example of the portlet controls that I came up with (heavily influenced by igoogle)
[13:01:14 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> well I made a few tweaks and it appears to be better
[13:01:38 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the tabs are display correctly in firefox & safari on mac and firefox & IE7 on windows
[13:01:50 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> firefox on linux has them set 1px lower than they should be
[13:02:12 EDT(-0400)] <athena> sounds like progress (smile)
[13:03:54 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> EricDalquist: is that a ff on linux issue?
[13:04:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yes
[13:04:27 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> but it is such a small audience that is 'good enough'
[13:04:41 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> (tongue)
[13:04:57 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I think it may be picking a different font or something
[13:05:25 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> throwing your em measurement off?
[13:05:31 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> probably
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[14:01:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> heidi: Did anyone get back to you about your iFrame question? I'm just catching up on the logs.
[14:02:29 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> colinclark: nope - thoughts?
[14:02:41 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> i was in a vid conference, hence the random q
[14:02:45 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> it came up
[14:02:51 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Depends on the context. Generally, they tend to annoy people using some assistive technologies.
[14:02:58 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> they are thinking of using it as the way to embed the player in a site
[14:03:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> In fact, they generally annoy everyone. Just ask Sakai. (tongue)
[14:03:23 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> hehe. i believe it. i think there's a way to label the iframe with a descrip?
[14:03:38 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Yep, there are certainly things you can do to make iFrames better.
[14:03:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But they're just unpleasant. These days, with Ajax and the like, they seem mostly unnecessary.
[14:03:57 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> so not complete write off but not awesome
[14:04:03 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> true
[14:04:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Maybe as a simple "cut and paste this into you website" solution, but not for anything else.
[14:04:16 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> it was in the context of embedding a player within wordpress or something
[14:04:26 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> yeah
[14:05:25 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> what happened w/ sakai?
[14:08:20 EDT(-0400)] <athena> iframes asploded all over it
[14:09:35 EDT(-0400)] <athena> more seriously, heidi, sakai has sort of turned into a portal, except all the things which might be thought of as portlets exist in iframes
[14:09:48 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> hehe
[14:10:08 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> i see....
[14:10:10 EDT(-0400)] <athena> so each tool on the page is presented in it's own iframe, and there's javascript called to set the height of the frame to the height of the contained page, so that the user hopefully won't notice that all the content is iframed
[14:10:52 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> gotcha... has a11y stuff been added to the frames
[14:11:06 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> (what are they? just descrips? not sure how a screen reader gets in there)
[14:11:12 EDT(-0400)] <athena> that i have no idea about
[14:11:21 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> k
[14:11:22 EDT(-0400)] * athena hasn't followed sakai development closely for a couple years
[14:11:26 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Yeah, they did their best with regards to a11y... but it's just awful for users.
[14:11:35 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> sounds nutty (smile)
[14:11:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Screenreader users still regularly complain about the iFrames in Sakai 2.x/
[14:12:02 EDT(-0400)] <athena> that's too bad (sad)
[14:12:25 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> will have to keep that in mind for opencast... embedding and portal bits etc are being talked about
[14:13:58 EDT(-0400)] <athena> it's kind of weird comparing uportal and sakai html layout in some ways, because sakai has sort of turned into a portal, and i think even supports some jsr168 stuff now
[14:14:21 EDT(-0400)] <athena> but uportal aggregates all the content into one page, while sakai relies on iframes
[14:14:40 EDT(-0400)] <athena> colinclark: are any of you making it to the jasig unconference this year?
[14:14:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> athena: Good question. Not sure yet.
[14:15:05 EDT(-0400)] <athena> well, i hope some of you can make it (smile)
[14:15:30 EDT(-0400)] * athena is making the trip this year and will stay around for the dev meetings
[14:16:23 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> thanks for the input you guys
[14:16:28 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> and gals
[14:27:35 EDT(-0400)] <heidi> fyi: http://www.webaim.org/techniques/frames/#iframe
[14:31:54 EDT(-0400)] <athena> nice (smile)
[14:32:11 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i think i've managed to banish iframes from all the portlets i have
[14:32:35 EDT(-0400)] <athena> for a long time yale's search portlet had to use them because the google APIs were so horribly slow that they slowed the page down to the point that users complained loudly
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[16:59:13 EDT(-0400)] * Topic is 'Infusion 1.1.1 has been Released http://fluidproject.org/products/infusion/download-infusion/' set by justin_o on 2009-08-13 16:59:13 EDT(-0400)
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