fluid-work IRC Logs-2010-02-11

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[09:26:32 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: good morning... just letting you know that ENGAGE-366 is ready for review
[09:26:42 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: thanks
[09:28:14 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: do you know if any of yura's artifact view need review?
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[09:29:05 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: i believe that colinclark is going to committ/code review his work... They started working on it yesterday and i believe the plan is to finish it up today
[09:29:17 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: great, thanks
[09:29:35 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> i'm currently code revieing/committing sveto's object code entry patch.
[09:30:14 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: great
[09:37:04 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> jessm: From yesterday: a panel header is the title portion of a cabinet panel (e.g., "Audio and video" or "Comments" under artifact view)
[09:42:06 EST(-0500)] <jessm> jameswy: roger that
[09:42:10 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'm so slow!
[09:42:25 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> jessm: nonsense! I'm just abstruse.
[09:42:36 EST(-0500)] <jessm> but i seem to be actually having an impact on http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/ENGAGE-329
[09:42:48 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> jessm: awesomeness!
[09:42:54 EST(-0500)] <jessm> we'll see...
[09:43:11 EST(-0500)] <jessm> having an impact and properly doing it are probably two different things
[09:43:34 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> I'm sure it's one and the same here,
[09:44:09 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> jessm: did you know the McCord, DIA, and MMI have Facebook pages? I've just "fan"'d them.
[09:44:23 EST(-0500)] <jessm> jameswy: oh, wow, i had no idea
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[10:25:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: heya
[10:26:07 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: word
[10:26:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Yura and I are just going through the final review of Artifact View before committing it to trunk.
[10:26:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Things are looking really good
[10:26:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> There is one bug that we are going to commit with, but that likely fits into phase 2
[10:27:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We've filed a JIRA here, and I took the liberty of adding it to the bug parade
[10:27:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/ENGAGE-371
[10:27:18 EST(-0500)] <jessm> great
[10:27:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'd like your opinion. We'll attach a screenshot momentarily so you can see what we actually mean
[10:27:27 EST(-0500)] <jessm> keep it up guys, today is going to be good, i can feel it
[10:27:58 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: k, just in a Decapod mtg. now, but after I'll all yers
[10:29:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: sure, no problem. Screenshot is now attached to the JIRA ticket
[10:29:41 EST(-0500)] <jessm> rt
[10:29:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And yes, today is gonna be a good day. The logjam of blockers is about to open up
[10:37:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Quote of the day, from a standards committee meeting:
[10:37:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> "Well, the word enriched has a meaning. It means something in this context."
[10:53:25 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark, anyone else: should the alt text for an image displaying, for example the number 7 be "7" or "seven" or does it matter at all?
[10:53:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: I don't think it will matter at all
[10:53:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> If in doubt, grab an iPhone and try it out
[10:53:54 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: thanks
[11:09:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: Yura and I picked up another (arguably minor) bug of mine in Navigation List...
[11:09:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/ENGAGE-372
[11:09:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Sorry, Navigation Bar
[11:09:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Navigation something
[11:10:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Anyway, I've filed it as a priority 3 for now, but I'd also be curious to get your Kingly verdict on it.
[11:17:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: One other i10n bug, which I haven't added to the bug parade because I think it is minor: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/ENGAGE-373
[11:28:28 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> jessm: When we're creating new bugs now, should we be assigning it to 0.3 or 0.3b?
[11:28:45 EST(-0500)] <jessm> jameswy: 0.3b for now
[11:28:52 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> Thanks.
[11:29:00 EST(-0500)] * jessm is catching up
[11:45:26 EST(-0500)] <jessm> yikes, yes, I agree ENGAGE-371 should be in bug parade
[11:45:43 EST(-0500)] <jessm> ultimately it'd be nice for video if we just scrape the first frame as a thumbnail
[11:45:57 EST(-0500)] <jessm> for audio we will need a default img.
[11:47:04 EST(-0500)] <jessm> yikes, for ENGAGE-372 are we making all alt text bi-lingual?
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[11:56:26 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: ^
[11:57:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: ENGAGE-372 points out that we are not localizing alt text
[11:57:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Which, since the nav bar is entirely iconic, would make it unrecognizable to someone who can't see the icons
[11:57:25 EST(-0500)] <jessm> so, there are other areas where that will come up?
[11:57:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Generally not, though it is an issue anywhere we have icons with no labels
[11:57:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> presumably these icons get alt text
[11:57:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and in that case, alt text has to be in the user's preferred language
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[12:07:37 EST(-0500)] <boyan> development meeting, anyone?
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[12:11:06 EST(-0500)] <jessm> boyan: is no one there?
[12:11:28 EST(-0500)] <boyan> jessm: only me and sveto in Breeze
[12:11:54 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'm guessing it might just be you two this week
[12:12:12 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: colinclark: and yura: are probably all heads-down with the release
[12:12:22 EST(-0500)] <jessm> boyan: or maybe you can have the mtg. in here?
[12:12:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: ack
[12:12:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> totally forgot
[12:12:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Let's do something quick
[12:12:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Here
[12:12:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Can you get us started?
[12:13:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ok, I'll get us started
[12:13:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Let's do quick updates, bring up any major issues
[12:14:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Is there a manifestation of Bosmon / Bosmon2 who is alive?
[12:14:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Otherwise, I'm seeing we've got boyan, justin_o, yura, and sveto.
[12:14:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac is at a CSpace standup meeting at the moment, but she may cruise by later.
[12:15:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'll start with my update, then we'll go through the order I just listed... boyan, justin, yura, and sveto.
[12:15:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Since Saturday I've been working with Sveto on getting My Collection working in preparation for merging it into trunk.
[12:16:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> There have been a lot of little details. My best guess is that My Collection hasn't weathered all the changes in trunk very well, and broke awhile back as changes were merged into the branch
[12:16:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Anyway, yesterday Sveto was able to get the last fix in to get the whole workflow working...
[12:16:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> but at the cost of hard-baking more code to McCord's schema.
[12:17:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We've got a major problem with hard-baked assumptions about museum schemas, which I outlined in an email to the list yesterday.
[12:17:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Last night, justin_o and I worked on the final missing piece--remembering which artifacts a user has collected when they navigate away from the Artifact View page.
[12:18:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> This has involved totally reworking the "user" subcomponent, which I can't quite figure out why it was a component in the first place, as well as dropping most of the code from userService.js and replacing it with the new dataSpout() framework code.
[12:18:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Things are looking shinier, and I expect we'll commit the code today.
[12:18:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'll leave yura to update on Artifact View, so that it's for me. Go for it, boyan.
[12:19:03 EST(-0500)] <boyan> ok, colinclark
[12:19:04 EST(-0500)] <boyan> i've been RESTify-ing cherrypy recently - we now have a nice URL mapping with implementations of the currently used functionality only (i.e. some URLs left unused, though they might be needed at later time)
[12:19:04 EST(-0500)] <boyan> we now have the model at the server, and a mirror of it in the client
[12:19:04 EST(-0500)] <boyan> what I still have to do is some code cleanup and re-checks and tests + syncing the server model with the client one after reordering
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[12:19:39 EST(-0500)] <boyan> over
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[12:19:59 EST(-0500)] <boyan> justin_o, you should be next
[12:20:07 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> boyan: thanks
[12:20:26 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> So basically what colinclark said about the other day
[12:20:54 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> today i've been looking at sveto's patch for code entry
[12:21:36 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> it was working, now i'm doing some refactoring and clean up before i commit... i'll probably send you a message to the list sveto about some of the change that i made...
[12:21:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> boyan: Your RESTifying work... is that in the repository somewhere so I can take a peek at it sometime? It sounds awesome!
[12:22:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: What kinds of cleanup/refactoring have you been doing on the object code patch?
[12:22:29 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> so far i'm still on the client side portion, and will move on shortly to the service... it also seems that the unit tests were almost all broken with the patch... so i'll either take a look at that or pass it back to you sveto
[12:22:53 EST(-0500)] <boyan> colinclark: it is still on my machine only, once I make thie final fixes I will commit it, hopefully tomorrow
[12:23:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> boyan: looking forward to it
[12:23:23 EST(-0500)] <sveto> justin_o: yes, I noticed that after I attached the patch was going to llook into it, but got distracted with my collection unit tests
[12:23:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[12:24:52 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: linting (i think your auto formatting in eclipse broke all of the general formatting conventions we have), changed the selectors for the buttons (now there is one for the numbers and one just for the delete button), some refactoring of the functions (hard to describe here) and internationalizing the alt text for the images... i'm also going to have to add in a function to disable the delete button when the second digit is entered
[12:25:11 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> sveto: meant to address that to you
[12:26:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: So, if you just have the digits, rather than the word, say, "seven," do you even need to i18n the alt text?
[12:26:35 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: so i did switch to using just digits for the numbers, but the delete button still needed proper alt text
[12:26:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ah, makes sense
[12:27:14 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> yura: you're up next
[12:27:16 EST(-0500)] <yura> so my update: I was pretty much working on the artifact view along with it's subcomponent description or as it will soon to be called engage.moreLess . colinclark and I spend this morning and some time yesterday reviewing, further refactoring and polishing the artifact view.
[12:27:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yura: You're a blisteringly fast typer
[12:27:41 EST(-0500)] <yura> yes, copy and paste
[12:27:58 EST(-0500)] <yura> sveto: you're upp
[12:29:38 EST(-0500)] <sveto> ok, I've being helping with the My Collection integration, making some fixes to the code that was broken for several reasons, including lack of manual testing, bad inpact from the merge and last minute changes that haven't been tested at all
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[12:29:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[12:30:02 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: where did you say i could find an ellipsis example? nav something?
[12:30:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto: we're getting so close
[12:30:18 EST(-0500)] <sveto> today I created a patch that removed the test code from code entry screen
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[12:30:25 EST(-0500)] <sveto> and i18n my collection
[12:30:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> cool
[12:30:42 EST(-0500)] <sveto> for my collection
[12:30:43 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: it's in the navigationBar
[12:30:49 EST(-0500)] <jessm> k
[12:31:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: probably makes sense for you to take a look at sveto's new patch whenever you get a chance
[12:31:06 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> sveto: okay.. i'll take a look at that patch too
[12:31:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto: You're lucky, you have two reviewers now
[12:31:16 EST(-0500)] <sveto>
[12:31:39 EST(-0500)] <sveto> I also had a talk with our technical lead here at Astea and we have some options for schemalessness that I can send as an email
[12:31:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> great
[12:32:08 EST(-0500)] <sveto> so that's it
[12:32:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto: Cool
[12:33:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Boz is on his way in
[12:33:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> In the meantime, I know jessm has been doing some dev work. Any updates?
[12:33:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[12:34:25 EST(-0500)] <jessm> oh me?
[12:34:39 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'm fighting with my second bug while y'all take on 10s of bugs at a time
[12:35:00 EST(-0500)] <jessm> my CSS is bad, I've got to sit on one hand to keep from copy-n-pasting, but i know it just destroys the soul
[12:35:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[12:35:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm is a very dramatic coder
[12:35:17 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'm going to take a look at text ellipsis in navigationBar
[12:35:24 EST(-0500)] <jessm>
[12:35:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But it's great to hear you're avoiding CnP
[12:35:30 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'm presently working on http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/ENGAGE-329
[12:35:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We should create "No CnP" stickers to put on our laptops
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[12:35:44 EST(-0500)] <jessm> and i think i resolved the other issue i was working on
[12:35:59 EST(-0500)] <jessm> but it isn't a blocker, so it sits until later
[12:36:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> excellent, jessm. We will get you a review asap
[12:36:06 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon5> I am sort of semi-here
[12:36:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> hey Bosmon5
[12:36:12 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'm sure the review will reveal i didn't really fix much
[12:36:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Do you want to give a super-quick update?
[12:36:23 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon5> Oops
[12:36:24 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'm done – onto Bosmon5
[12:38:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon5: Is "Oops" your update? Damn, I should have thought of that one!
[12:38:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon5 might be on his phone, so he might be slow
[12:38:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> to type
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[12:49:51 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon5> Ok
[12:50:03 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon5> I've got a brief sec now
[12:50:12 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon5> Anyone still here?
[12:51:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon5: I am
[12:51:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[12:51:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: Yura and I just made the most ridiculous commit
[12:52:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Marked against 9 blocker issues
[12:52:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'll update all the JIRAs in a second to mark them as reviewed and complete.
[12:52:27 EST(-0500)] <jessm> woah
[12:52:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We need a new JIRA for bug parade, and I guess we're stretching the definition of blocker in this case. I will explain.
[12:52:40 EST(-0500)] <jessm> ok, thanks
[12:53:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Yura and I were able to do some preliminary (and easy) refactoring of the "description" component, which we've renamed as the More/Less component.
[12:53:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> However, we can do a lot more, and at a low cost. At the moment, More/Less renders it's own markup, but that doesn't make a lot of sense.
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[12:53:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We can probably ditch 3/4s of the code in the component if Yura goes ahead with this refactoring
[12:53:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So arguably, it affects the performance JIRA
[12:53:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> How should we categorize this in terms of bug parade?
[12:54:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Yura will also make one more commit to ensure that Artifact View has sample data so that it can be used from the file system without Kettle.
[12:54:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And with that, everyone, heads up that Yura and I are gonna rebuild the daily build
[12:57:08 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: weird, my ellipsis is identical to the NavigationBar – something else must be going on...
[12:57:16 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'll look at it more until it stabs me in the eye
[12:57:18 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon5> Ok
[12:57:42 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon5> Did we manage to get any insight into how that Couch Url changed?
[12:57:50 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon5> Exhibition/about
[12:57:55 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: what type of markup is the text in
[12:58:33 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: if it is in something that says table on it, it probably won't work
[12:59:17 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> Bosmon5: I haven't had a chance to check.. not sure if yura and colinclark have or not
[12:59:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon5: We haven't had time to look into it yet
[12:59:47 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon5> Well, I was imagining yura would mainly know
[12:59:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Yura and I have been getting the new Artifact View into place
[12:59:55 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: it's flc-navigationList-titleText
[12:59:56 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon5> Ok
[13:00:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> He's got a couple of things to polish off on that, then he can look at it with you
[13:00:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm on the verge of moving back to My Collection
[13:00:19 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon5> I will carry on goosing other things then
[13:07:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon5: Ack
[13:07:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I think another service broke last night
[13:07:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We can no longer get to the full catalogue
[13:20:56 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon5>
[13:21:22 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon5> Shall I just back out env.js and the services?
[13:22:26 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon5> Which view is the full catalogue, in fact? Can I reach it from the home page?
[13:25:37 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> Bosmon5: You reach the full catalogue via the following path: Home -> Exhibitions -> An exhibition -> Full catalogue
[13:26:06 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon5> Thanks
[13:26:18 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> np
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[13:40:55 EST(-0500)] <alisonbenjamin> colinclark: hey I know you're in the same physical space as me but I have a question when you get a sec :oP
[13:41:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> hi alisonbenjamin
[13:41:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> fire away
[13:41:30 EST(-0500)] <alisonbenjamin> colinclark: I'll ask you in person when you're avail
[13:41:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
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[14:10:08 EST(-0500)] <alisonbenjamin> justin_o: if you go to here there is a 404 message file not found: http://build.fluidproject.org:8080/sakai-imagegallery2-web/site/AddImages/
[14:10:54 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> alisonbenjamin: thanks... i'll take a look
[14:13:34 EST(-0500)] <alisonbenjamin> justin_o: actually yes I do need help figuring out where that file lives..
[14:15:13 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> alisonbenjamin: sure
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[14:30:11 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> yura, Bosmon, colinclark, anyone: I have another string i need to get translated from Hugues, do you have any that also need translation, so i can send one large e-mail
[14:30:29 EST(-0500)] <yura> justin_o: not that I think of
[14:30:35 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> okay.. thanks
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[15:30:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: Here's a JIRA I took the liberty of adding to the bug parade: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/ENGAGE-375
[15:31:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Yura has a fix for it, and it's a side effect of his previous patches which I committed
[16:16:31 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: yikes, i'm going to have to dig through later to catch up with your and yura mega commit and get the release emails up to date
[16:16:35 EST(-0500)] <jessm> messy!
[16:16:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: Yeah, we totally make things a bit crazy
[16:16:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Here's where we're at:
[16:17:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Yura went through a massive whack of JIRAs that he thinks have been fixed and that I've reviewed.
[16:17:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> He's resolved them; I'll double-check and then verify
[16:17:28 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: so they should be on REVIEW?
[16:18:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: They've actually been reviewed
[16:18:05 EST(-0500)] <jessm> ah, ok
[16:18:10 EST(-0500)] <jessm> so, i'll take them off the parade
[16:18:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I just want to double-check the issues he's resolved. But I reviewed and committed them all
[16:18:18 EST(-0500)] <jessm> looks like mostly My Collection and Comments remain
[16:18:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yep, that's right
[16:18:27 EST(-0500)] <jessm> roger that
[16:18:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> me and Bosmon5, up against the deadline
[16:18:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[16:31:17 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> OK
[16:31:31 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I am eyeing the work of integrating Comments === Guestbook into ArtifactView
[16:31:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Ok
[16:31:39 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> And noticing that there is a kind of "thing" there already
[16:31:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Yeah, I think Yura put a placeholder in for you
[16:31:52 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I notice that what it does is to create a "section" entry inside a "navList"
[16:31:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yes, that's right
[16:32:01 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes - there was a placeholder in exhibitionView as well
[16:32:12 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Only it was a placeholder of an entirely different kind
[16:32:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[16:32:26 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> So, I am querying whether exhibitionView was always "meant" to be using the NavList in this way as well
[16:32:33 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> And we have just not got round to it yet
[16:32:43 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> In much the same way that Lions don't catch Fish
[16:33:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Lions never catch fish?
[16:33:18 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> In ExhibitionView, there was just a <div> ... and a link next to it
[16:33:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I always sort of like to think of Sirius catching his own tuna
[16:33:28 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well, they don't catch them YET
[16:33:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[16:33:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: I'll have to check exhibition view
[16:33:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> or maybe yura knows
[16:34:29 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> So... the elements of a "navList" seem to have a kind of paradigmatic structure
[16:34:45 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> image/title/description etc.
[16:34:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: If I remember correctly, jameswy's wireframes call for a single comment in the View page
[16:35:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So you could certainly reuse Nav List in this manner with a model of 1
[16:35:01 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It doesn't seem possible for them to render themselves
[16:35:12 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well, the single comment apparently only goes for exhibitions
[16:35:19 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> In the wireframes for artefacts, I see many comments
[16:35:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: yep. In artifact view, it's all of them
[16:35:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Assuming your comments fit the stereotype of Nav List, you'll be fine
[16:35:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Otherwise, you're pretty much on your own
[16:35:48 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> hahaha
[16:35:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Though you may find Nav List's CSS useful
[16:35:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Indeed
[16:36:26 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well, the current rendering using NavList doesn't look anything like the wireframes...
[16:36:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: yeah, so you're on your own
[16:36:42 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon>
[16:36:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Nav List is a desperately simple component
[16:37:10 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I still don't really understand what it does
[16:37:12 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Bosmon: you fighting with CSS too?
[16:37:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Desperate to make your model conform to its demands, yet unable to satisfy much in the way of goals
[16:37:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: It renders a handful of HTML elements for you
[16:37:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Well, not for you. For others
[16:37:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[16:38:28 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well
[16:38:31 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I don't get it
[16:38:35 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> How could this possibly work?
[16:39:09 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Am I planning to rewrite the "NavList" "component"?
[16:42:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: What do you mean, how could it possibly work?
[16:42:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> NavList is blatantly only useful for things that have icons, titles and descriptions
[16:42:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> For anything else, it's completely useless
[16:42:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> You have to render your markup your own way. That's it.
[16:43:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> All the real action of NavList is actually in its CSS anyway
[16:43:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So you're hardly missing much
[16:44:15 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: do you have a 1/2 second to give some advise?
[16:44:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: Can you give me about five minutes
[16:44:28 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i can't ever tell between advise and advice – they sound the same to my accent
[16:44:29 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: sure
[16:44:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I feel strangely on the verge of a mild My Collection breakthrough
[16:44:38 EST(-0500)] <jessm> k
[16:44:49 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Bosmon: you can always help me
[16:44:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I can advise you with whatever advice I have then?
[16:45:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: If you need a tongue stuck out at you, Bosmon is your man
[16:45:19 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: that would be great in my ability to affect the released with the correct effects
[16:45:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yack
[16:45:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> this code is starting to look good compared to our jokes
[16:49:45 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> colinclark: I can't "render my markup my own way"
[16:49:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: What do you mean?
[16:49:57 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Since this thing called a "NavList" is occupying my screen real estate
[16:50:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Well, is it not three separate NavLists?
[16:50:15 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Not that I thought
[16:50:18 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It seems to be one "cabinet"
[16:50:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Really?
[16:50:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ahhhhhh
[16:50:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Hmm...
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[16:50:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Cabinet is a bit of a fascist, I fear
[16:51:12 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> jessm: Sorry for disappearing the other day. Internet connection strangely cut out.
[16:51:25 EST(-0500)] <jessm> EverettZ: no worries
[16:51:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: can you double check that there is no API for you to specify your own contents of the drawer? I'm fairly certain that there is some way of doing it
[16:51:27 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I don't see a way out of this that doesn't involve rewriting one of these broken components...
[16:51:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> If there's one that's blatantly broken, it'd be Cabinet, but you should really double-check
[16:52:10 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> jessm: What is the best way for me to find out if an engage bug related to a11y has been worked on?
[16:52:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: When it comes to bugs, if it's been fixed it'll be marked resolved. If someone's paying attention to it, it will probably be marked as "In Progress"
[16:53:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: Or you can just ask here
[16:53:38 EST(-0500)] <jessm> EverettZ: what he said
[16:54:31 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: Ok, well if any bugs have been 'fixed' I'd love to test. Perhaps it's a good idea for me to do another walk through the app at the end of each phae o testing.
[16:55:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: We're quite far behind on fixing any behavioural bugs right now. We're still integrating a few of the features, including My Collection and the Guest book
[16:55:19 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> ok, I see it now...
[16:55:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: It looks to me like Cabinet doesn't assert anything about what's in it
[16:55:52 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It looks like there is just one "section", but actually actifactView forks it during its makeProtoComponents...
[16:56:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: tomorrow's gonna be a natural point to do some more testing, I think
[16:56:29 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: ok, I'll check back again when I have some time. Currently learning obj-c to try to get firefox accessible on OS X
[16:56:46 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: perhaps I'll take a look again over the weekend then.
[16:57:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: I've seen that on the Apple accessibility list. Let me know if I can lend you a hand at any point.
[16:57:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: I've been writing Cocoa code for about a decade now, just for fun
[16:57:39 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: Outside of ADC is there any useful resource on the a11y API?
[16:58:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: As with everything Cocoa-related, the definitive word is always from Apple.
[16:58:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: Which is a drag
[16:58:23 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: If you happen to know a tutorial on UI design without using IB I'd take it too. lol
[16:58:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: Hmm...
[16:59:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: I have a particularly annoying iPhone programming book that has almost entirely non IB examples
[16:59:29 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: apple, good a11y for end users, not so much for developers. IB is essentially useless and iPhone Simulator is completely useless.
[16:59:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: I don't think the quality of the code examples are very good, but they might help. let me dig up the title, and hopefully you can find an electronic version
[16:59:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: Yeah, I saw all that on the list
[17:00:03 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: that'd be great
[17:00:21 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: makes one consider a new career path.
[17:00:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: The iPhone Developer's Cookbook: Building Applications with the iPhone SDK
[17:00:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: By Erica Sadun
[17:01:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: I used to think non-IB development with Cocoa was just an uphill battle
[17:01:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: But these days, I think it's probably the status quo for many iPhone developers
[17:01:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: Ack, I've got to run
[17:01:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm gonna have to help you with code tomorrow am
[17:01:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> No My Collection commit either
[17:01:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[17:01:43 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: no real rush
[17:01:46 EST(-0500)] <jessm> just need a poke
[17:03:30 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: thanks again
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