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[06:12:28 EST(-0500)] <sveto> hi, anybody here? I can't access the wiki and the issue tracker
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[08:55:42 EST(-0500)] <jessm> sveto: can you get onto them now?
[08:56:20 EST(-0500)] <sveto> jessm: I can access the Jira, but not the wiki
[08:56:34 EST(-0500)] <jessm> sveto: woah, me too
[08:56:46 EST(-0500)] <jessm> jamon: seems we have an outage ^
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[09:11:59 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm, sveto: sorry didn't notice your conversation here... i just mentioned to jamon here that it was down
[09:12:15 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: great, thanks justin_o
[09:12:23 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: saw your email re: what to do
[09:12:35 EST(-0500)] <jessm> we've got a growing list of reviews that need to happen
[09:13:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto, yura: I wonder if you two have overlapping patches for My Collection styling?
[09:13:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto: Did you get a chance to work on the Save and Send button at all?
[09:15:08 EST(-0500)] <sveto> colinclark: About styling are you refering to the cleanup from before a couple of days?
[09:15:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto: Styling
[09:15:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yura: Is on his way to the channel so you guys can sync up
[09:16:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> or, wait
[09:16:14 EST(-0500)] <jamon> have to go push the reset button on the server, will be afew minutes
[09:16:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> apparently he's getting some coffee
[09:17:04 EST(-0500)] <sveto> colinclark: I'm working on the send email function now, there is a small issue with Hugues expecting to get the artifacts ids from the artifact documents, not the couch id, so I guess it is ok to add this to the My Collection model
[09:17:34 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: okay
[09:18:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto: Yeah, I actually wondered how prudent it was of us to store Couch UUIDs instead of artifact IDs
[09:18:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto: I struggled with the My Collection model...
[09:18:47 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: i'll try to get an updated list into the channel in a minute
[09:18:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It was, when I first saw it, nearly a Nav List-style model
[09:19:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It had title, target, and something else--"dated," I think
[09:19:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And then there was an extra transformation in the My Collection component itself to fully transform it to a Nav List model
[09:19:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But, coming at it form the outside, I was initially assuming that it would just be a feed of artifacts
[09:20:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Analogous to the other services that share artifacts
[09:20:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We need to be careful when we're building feeds to also remember that these are things we expect to be prime commodities for reuse...
[09:20:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> rather than thinking about a feed as "My Collection's feed," it really could be much closer to an "artifactsByID" feed.
[09:21:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> You see the distinction is largely one of generalizing things we build so they can be reused by many components and by outside component developers or for integration
[09:21:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Anyway, that's a slight tangent
[09:22:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> You'll probably have to add the artifact's museum-specific ID to the model, yes
[09:31:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I miss JIRA already (tongue)
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[09:37:12 EST(-0500)] <jamon> should be back up now colinclark et. al
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[09:38:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> thanks, jamon
[09:38:54 EST(-0500)] <jamon> i can't really tell what it was, thing was completely locked up
[09:39:05 EST(-0500)] <jamon> lights out management console was locked too
[09:39:22 EST(-0500)] <jamon> will poke around some more once i finally get my coffee (tongue)
[09:40:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[09:42:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> hey yura1
[09:43:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto, jessm: Where are we at with i18n and French l10n for My Collection and Artifact View?
[09:43:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm, you had some translated strings from Hugues, right?
[09:43:45 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: yes, those were committed yesterday by justin_o
[09:43:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm trying to determine if we're ready to close http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/ENGAGE-348
[09:44:15 EST(-0500)] <sveto> colinclark: more strings poped up, I can send them now, I think there won't be more
[09:44:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sure, sveto
[09:44:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Are they related to Save and Send?
[09:44:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Or something else?
[09:44:41 EST(-0500)] <yura1> hey colinclark
[09:44:47 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: yura is just compiling an e-mail to hugues at the moment about some more strings
[09:45:45 EST(-0500)] <yura> this is the list I have so far:
[09:45:45 EST(-0500)] <yura> "Comment""Collect""Uncollect""Warning""Removed from your My Collection. Tap here to go there now.""added from your My Collection. Tap here to go there now."
[09:45:45 EST(-0500)] <sveto> colinclark: save and send and load 20 more
[09:45:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> cool
[09:45:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok, guys
[09:46:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto, yura1: can you coordinate to make sure all these strings are given to Hugues in one batch?
[09:46:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And that they get back into the repository correctly?
[09:46:27 EST(-0500)] <yura> colinclark: np
[09:46:59 EST(-0500)] <yura> sveto: so as far as I understand the strings are : "Save" "Send" and "Load 20 more" ?
[09:47:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yura: You were working on some My Collection styling last night. While you slept, it looks like Sveto also worked on this, too. I'm trying to make sure we're all synced up here. Is there any overlap between the two patches, or are they additive? http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/ENGAGE-395
[09:47:53 EST(-0500)] <sveto> yura: I'll paste them
[09:48:01 EST(-0500)] <yura> i think it's one is an updated version of the orher one, is that right sveto?
[09:48:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto: Maybe stick them in a patch on JIRA?
[09:48:59 EST(-0500)] <sveto> yura: yes, it's an update, non-additive
[09:49:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> awesome
[09:49:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so we're all synced up, then
[09:49:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So one last coordination detail...
[09:49:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'd like to try to freeze the code base this afternoon
[09:50:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> With the exception of performance optimizations
[09:50:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o, yura, sveto, jessm: Are we in shape to do this?
[09:51:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'll check in with one of the many Bosmons this afternoon about Guest book, but it looks like it's coming along well.
[09:51:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> S
[09:51:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Save and Send is the last piece of missing functionality, as far as I know
[09:51:35 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: i hope so
[09:51:36 EST(-0500)] <sveto> colinclark: load 20 more is also missing (sad)
[09:51:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto: Wait, "Load 20 more..."
[09:52:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Isn't that related to batching artifacts?
[09:52:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> As in, allowing the user to see 20 artifacts, then tap a button to add an extra 20 to the page?
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[09:52:25 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: sveto: yura: colinclark: Bosmo1: I'm sending an email that has all of our top priority bugs listed as well as a bunch of other information – i'd like to chat with each of you in the channel to get a plan of attack together once you've read the email – ok?
[09:52:33 EST(-0500)] <sveto> colinclark: yes, that's it
[09:52:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: +1
[09:52:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto: Good news, dude
[09:52:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We're not supporting that for Engage 0.3b (smile)
[09:52:56 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: okay
[09:53:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Engage+0.3+Development+Phases
[09:53:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Check out the "Features we won't implement" section
[09:53:31 EST(-0500)] <sveto> colinclark: (smile) so it's just the first 20 artifacts the user will get?
[09:53:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> No, we'll get 'em all
[09:54:14 EST(-0500)] <yura1> was the guestbook internationalized by any chance?
[09:54:45 EST(-0500)] <sveto> colinclark: ok, then we need to set a no-limit option to the couch query, or this has been done?
[09:55:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto: I don't know. Can you take a look?
[09:55:12 EST(-0500)] <sveto> colinclark: sure
[09:55:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yura1: I'm sure it's been internationalized, but likely not yet localized
[09:55:27 EST(-0500)] <sveto> yura1: my strings: "We'll send your collection to the email address below.", "Send", "Sumbit", "Cancel", "email address"
[09:55:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> "Internationalized" meaning that it has externalized all its strings. Where "localization" means to adapt it for a particular language or locale.
[09:56:01 EST(-0500)] <yura1> thanks sveto
[09:56:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yura1: Take a look at Antranig's strings--I'm sure you should be able to cull everything we need Hugues to translate
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[09:57:18 EST(-0500)] <jessm> sveto: justin_o: yura: colinclark: the email is out – let's go alphabetically and talk about what we're taking on, that ok?
[09:57:21 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: you'd be first
[09:57:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: (smile)
[09:57:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Hokay, so
[09:57:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 1. I'm helping to make sure we're in good shape to freeze today.
[09:57:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 2. I'm making this thing fast.
[09:58:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> In terms of concrete JIRAs:
[09:58:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> This is the umbrella performance JIRA: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/ENGAGE-342
[09:58:28 EST(-0500)] <yura> sveto: is the "email address" all lower case?
[09:58:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I added this more specific JIRA to the parade late yesterday: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/ENGAGE-402
[09:58:54 EST(-0500)] <sveto> yura: yes, it is in the input field to indicate that some email should be entered
[09:59:01 EST(-0500)] <yura> sveto: thanks
[09:59:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'll go through all components pruning where I can, and then move straight into...
[09:59:26 EST(-0500)] <jessm> k, i'll go...
[09:59:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> JIRA is being slow
[09:59:32 EST(-0500)] <jessm> ah, ok
[09:59:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Minification and concatenation, whatever its number is
[09:59:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'll need justin_o's help with that last one
[09:59:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I think that's it for me.
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[10:00:28 EST(-0500)] <jessm> woah, jira is way slow
[10:00:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> poor, poor JIRA, jamon
[10:01:03 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'm going to be working on the design bug for the language screen
[10:01:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ah, thanks jessm
[10:01:07 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'm also going to do my best to herd what's happening today
[10:01:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[10:01:31 EST(-0500)] <jessm> and i'm going to do my best to keep justin_o yura etc. chatting here in the channel to make sure we're being as efficient as we can
[10:01:35 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: you're up
[10:02:04 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> justin_o: i guess i'm going to start by chatting more in the channel (smile)
[10:02:34 EST(-0500)] * colinclark coughs <yura>
[10:02:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (wink)
[10:02:49 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> i'm going to start by getting in the tap highlighting fix 331
[10:03:00 EST(-0500)] <yura1> (smile)
[10:03:00 EST(-0500)] <jessm> (smile) you guys are doing great – this feels like an olympic day – full efficiency 'on'
[10:03:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Hurray!
[10:03:16 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> as part of that i'm going to need to also get in jessm's fix for 390 in
[10:03:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm has had so many patches accepted recently!
[10:03:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so awesome
[10:03:43 EST(-0500)] <jessm> bah
[10:03:54 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: 331 will be so awesome
[10:04:04 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> I spent some time debugging with Bosmon yesterday regarding 356 and he seems to have fixed the issue.. it was looking good on the build site today...
[10:04:30 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> also will try to get sveto's warning message icon in
[10:05:23 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> then will do some code review and working with colin on performance... if i can manage to squeeze in some time to look at 380 again i will
[10:05:25 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> that's it for me
[10:05:42 EST(-0500)] <sveto> I'll be working on 307 - the save and send feature
[10:06:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto: You must be getting to the end of your day. Do you want to hand it off to yura1 when you're ready to head home?
[10:06:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 307, that is
[10:07:14 EST(-0500)] <yura1> I m working on 395 right now and I will also look at 348 as well as 307
[10:07:16 EST(-0500)] <sveto> colinclark: I have still some more hours to code, but I won't be able to do styling for instance, so if yura1 doesn't mind I can send him the patch at the end of my day
[10:07:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> cool, that'd be great
[10:07:41 EST(-0500)] <yura1> sveto: definitely
[10:07:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 395 is the collect/uncollect styling
[10:08:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 348 is translation/i18n for My Collection
[10:08:26 EST(-0500)] <yura1> also make sure the comment button works in the top panel
[10:08:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[10:08:36 EST(-0500)] <sveto> colinclark: about 348, I thought that this is in place already?
[10:08:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ok, so where does that leave us?
[10:09:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto: I think it's just the remaining string translation... the JIRA is maybe not titled as well as it could be at this point
[10:09:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yura1: is that right/
[10:09:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ?
[10:09:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So, looking at the list, we've still got:
[10:09:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 357, which I'll ask Bosmon about when he gets in
[10:09:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 356, which we think is closed but needs to be reviewed--will confirm also with Bosmon
[10:10:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Did anyone mention ENGAGE-324?
[10:10:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Or is that related to 356?
[10:11:10 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: yes... that is related to 356
[10:11:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: So if 356 is fixed, 324 is as well?
[10:11:40 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: yes
[10:11:44 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> and 319 too
[10:11:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> There's also the TO COMMIT issues that jessm mentioned
[10:11:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 329, 389, 390
[10:12:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We should get those in before they get crusty
[10:12:15 EST(-0500)] <jessm> they're quite small
[10:12:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Can you take point on those, or should I take a look at them?
[10:12:21 EST(-0500)] <jessm> shouldn't take long
[10:12:54 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: definitely doing 390
[10:12:57 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> i'll check the others now
[10:13:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: I'm happy to help. Just let me know
[10:13:22 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i think 356 will solve a number of things – some of the major bugs that are marked 'style' are actually rendering issues
[10:14:02 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: thanks.. i'll try to take a look at all of those ones though
[10:14:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> thanks
[10:14:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ok, I'm sending an updated email to the list based on the notes from this little status meeting
[10:14:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We're almost there!
[10:14:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Thanks so much, guys
[10:14:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And thanks to jessm for herding the cranky developer cats today
[10:14:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And being a developer cat herself, too
[10:16:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Oh, one other thing...
[10:16:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o and yura1: Do we need to run a new import soon?
[10:16:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Hugues changed his casing issues yesterday
[10:16:50 EST(-0500)] <yura1> yes that would be good
[10:17:35 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: we also need to update the home screen icon i think
[10:18:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Ah, yes
[10:18:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jameswy: Did you stick the real icon for Fluid Engage on a JIRA somewhere?
[10:20:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yura1, justin_o: When should we run the new import?
[10:20:27 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> colinclark: not yet--but it's in svn, in the mobile testing platform folder.
[10:20:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Later in the day, perhaps?
[10:20:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jameswy: Whenever you get a chance to create a JIRA ticket (critical) for it and attach the icon, that would be great.
[10:21:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yura1: Couple of quick questions
[10:21:09 EST(-0500)] <yura1> colinclark: go ahead
[10:21:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Can you tell me all of the components you are getting translations for right now?
[10:21:18 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> colinclark: will do
[10:21:23 EST(-0500)] <jessm> jameswy: fwiw, JT responded that she loves the idea of the FE logo being dynamic wrt colour and therefore doesn't feel as though we need to settle on one colour scheme. I think it's a great idea, also fwiw
[10:21:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'd like to close ENGAGE-348 and file a blocker specifically related to string translation
[10:21:44 EST(-0500)] <yura1> ok so the artifact view top panel, guestbook, comment entry page
[10:21:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> That's it?
[10:21:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> cool
[10:22:14 EST(-0500)] <yura1> oh object entry page
[10:22:32 EST(-0500)] <jamon> colinclark/yura1: where's the .war i'm deploying for fe.org?
[10:22:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[10:22:59 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> jessm: Cool! (what's fwiw?)
[10:23:00 EST(-0500)] <yura1> my collection too
[10:23:10 EST(-0500)] <jessm> for what it's worth
[10:23:18 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> jessm: ahh, thanks.
[10:23:20 EST(-0500)] * jameswy is a newb.
[10:23:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yura1 or justin_o: Shall I go ahead and build Jamon a WAR file?
[10:23:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: We're still a day away from freezing/releasing, so this will be an interim build
[10:23:46 EST(-0500)] <jamon> i can run off the nightly if it is already done
[10:24:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I may as well build you something that is the latest and greatest
[10:24:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> What's the URL for the Couch on that server, jamon?
[10:24:18 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: it would be a good test at the least
[10:24:21 EST(-0500)] <jamon> checking
[10:24:35 EST(-0500)] <yura> so these are the strings i am sending to Hugues:
[10:24:35 EST(-0500)] <yura> "Comment""Collect""Uncollect""Warning""Removed from your My Collection. Tap here to go there now.""Added to your My Collection. Tap here to go there now.""Submit""Send""We'll send your collection to the email address below.""Cancel""email address""Add a comment""Comment Entry"
[10:24:45 EST(-0500)] <jamon> actually colinclark, it should be localhost or 127.0.0.1 (wink)
[10:24:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ah, yes (smile)
[10:24:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[10:24:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: Give me about 10 minutes
[10:25:09 EST(-0500)] <jamon> no hurry, i've got a pile of other things
[10:25:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm just trying coordinate the bug parade action for this morning, then I'll send something along
[10:25:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> How should i get it to you?
[10:25:41 EST(-0500)] <jamon> it isn't in a continuum?
[10:26:41 EST(-0500)] <jamon> you can scp it to fe.org, yura1 and justin_o have the login details
[10:26:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[10:27:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i'll phone someone shortly for the deets
[10:27:16 EST(-0500)] <yura1> colinclark: what about one style issue with the nav list where the rows have curvy corners?
[10:27:21 EST(-0500)] <jamon> ah right, in that case, call me, 416-946-7693
[10:27:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> k
[10:31:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: Ok, I sent a response to your email with details on the status of each issue you mentioned and who is the point person on them.
[10:32:07 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: awesome
[10:33:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: Closed ENGAGE-348, filed ENGAGE-403 and added to the parade.
[10:33:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> A little bit of blocker trading (smile)
[10:36:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: I've also updated the bug parade list to ensure that it's accurate, well-described, and each issue is assigned to someone.
[10:36:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We're in the home stretch here
[10:37:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: Port number for Couch on this server is the default 5984?
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[10:37:55 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: so i've taken a look at your Patch for ENGAGE-390. I'm going to make a small change.. instead of placing the background colour on the components container flc-codeEntry i switched it to override the pages background that is set on fl-theme-iphone. This way the entire page will get the background colour. Also as an aside, by convention we use fl- prefix for styling and flc- for dom selectors
[10:38:23 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: Any fluid implmentations of jquery UI modal dialog in demos?
[10:38:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: Hmmm
[10:38:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: Trying to remember
[10:38:42 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: i tried the background on the fl-theme-iphone and it didn't work for some reason, but it is the correct solution
[10:39:00 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: ah, fl versus flc – very helpful
[10:39:20 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: shhhh, i didn't read the manual
[10:39:34 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: the rest looks great and i'll be committing it as is... so there was actually only one small change that i made...
[10:39:48 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: having a problem with consistent screen-reader behavior with modal dialog in d7, but think it is upstream. Of course, I don't think aria should be trusted on public sites so I'm a bit biased (smile)
[10:39:50 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: cool!
[10:39:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: I believe this one uses UI dialog. It's a bit confusing because it has boilerplate markup. You want to select the "Edit Appearance" button
[10:39:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: http://build.fluidproject.org/infusion/demos/uiOptions/html/uiOptions.html
[10:40:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: I think that jQuery UI dialog regressed since we last worked on it
[10:40:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: What are you seeing?
[10:40:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: I've noticed that keyboard focus is straying outside jQuery UI Dialogs sometimes. And I know we fixed that about a year ago.
[10:41:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: In short, fl- class names are for styling, whereas flc- are reserved for code.
[10:43:55 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: i've closed ENGAGE-390
[10:43:56 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> .
[10:44:35 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: JAWS11 doesn't respect modality, or switch to application mode. NVDA 2009.1 does respect modality and does switch to application mode. Using FF3.6
[10:44:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: Interesting!
[10:45:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: Anything you think we can do to make it better?
[10:45:15 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: Do you know of someone with jquery UI who I could speak to about this?
[10:45:22 EST(-0500)] <jamon> colinclark: sorry, yes, 5984
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[10:45:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: Scott Gonzalez is your man. He's really great. Tell him you work with us.
[10:46:43 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: excellent. I'd say that you can only use advanced aria features like modial dialog in environments where you can control the browser / AT being used (i.e. intranet)
[10:47:15 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: Hard to rely on consistent implementation of any w3c rec. especially when it is still draft.
[10:47:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: Meaning, if you've got FF3.6 and NVDIA 2009.1, you're okay, but anything else is a problem?
[10:47:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: For sure
[10:48:25 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: not sure other than NVDA / JAWS testing. But kind of yes. Now that being said, JAWS does see the dialog, it just isn't modal, so functionality is there, user experience suffers greatly though.
[10:49:03 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: aria being used to make the dialog modal can be seen as progressive enhancement, not as a requirement.
[10:51:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: You know, there's something interesting here...
[10:51:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: DHTML seems to have brought modality back in fashion. You see modal dialog everywhere. But from a general usability perspective, they're really terrible.
[10:51:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: And clearly, avoiding them would have general benefits, including better a11y
[10:53:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: Do you want me to install the Engage WAR directly in Tomcat for you?
[10:53:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Or stick it in the home directory and leave it to you?
[10:53:49 EST(-0500)] <jamon> colinclark: i'll shuffle it into place thanks
[10:53:52 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: I see the use for confirmation, etc. But yes, a UI with multiple configuration options should not be a modal dialog, I don't see the advantage.
[10:53:56 EST(-0500)] <jamon> have to make sure tomcat is up to date etc.
[10:54:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> k
[10:54:23 EST(-0500)] <jamon> thanks!
[10:54:39 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: do you know the ver. of jquery / ui used in the dmo you provided?
[10:55:38 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: do you know if scott can sometimes be found in #jquery?
[10:55:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: jQuery 1.3.2 with jQuery UI 1.7
[10:56:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: I don't see him there now, and I'm not sure if he hangs out there or not
[10:56:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: He's pretty responsive on the jQuery-a11y list
[10:58:01 EST(-0500)] <EverettZ> colinclark: thanks for all of your help. Not sure if there really is a fix, but if there is it is upstream.
[10:58:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> EverettZ: No problem. Any time
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[11:00:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: ~/fluid-engage-0.3-SNAPSHOT.war
[11:00:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The WAR file's name will change between now and the final release
[11:01:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But otherwise, it's very similar to the real deal
[11:01:12 EST(-0500)] <jamon> thanks colinclark, last thing, which databases? mccord* ?
[11:01:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ah, yes
[11:01:28 EST(-0500)] <jamon> or everything but test*?
[11:01:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o, yura1: looks like you guys forgot to tidy up after your last import?
[11:01:54 EST(-0500)] * jamon ducks
[11:01:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[11:02:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> everything but test*, yes
[11:02:06 EST(-0500)] <jamon> k
[11:02:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And test* shouldn't be there (wink)
[11:02:22 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: oops... yah... my fault
[11:02:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: yura and justin_o are planning to do a fresh import sometime today, but if you teach them how to tunnel, they can take care of replication themselves, I assume
[11:03:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: no worries. I just wish fj were here to sing the tidy up song for us
[11:03:15 EST(-0500)] <jamon> yep, tunneling is no problem
[11:03:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: You also don't actually need to replicate the users database. It just has to be there and be empty
[11:03:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Though it doesn't do any harm either way
[11:03:36 EST(-0500)] <jamon> ok
[11:07:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So our mission today is to aim for a 4 pm EST code freeze, with the exception of performance optimization work.
[11:07:42 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> ENGAGE-404 is the JIRA for the non-nightly app icon; file is attached there (colinclark, justin_o, yura1, jessm)
[11:07:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I think this will be doable.
[11:08:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jameswy: We should get ready to ramp up QA when we hit freeze.
[11:08:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Is there anything else left to do on that front, or are we ready to go?
[11:08:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess recruiting volunteers is the key
[11:09:03 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> colinclark: I believe we're ready--I'll check with Sam to make sure she's finished w/ VO-plans.
[11:09:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yura1 / yura: any word from Hugues today about deploying on his servers?
[11:09:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jameswy: Awesome, thanks. This is exciting!
[11:09:37 EST(-0500)] <jamon> colinclark, yura1, justin_o, mccord won't replicate past 129 documents out of 1220, the other databases work fine though
[11:09:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: What's it doing?
[11:09:59 EST(-0500)] <jamon> i'll post/pastebin the error
[11:10:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yack
[11:10:20 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jameswy: just noticing something... it seems like the default colour for tappable items is grey
[11:10:33 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> justin_o: Could we change that easily?
[11:10:59 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jameswy: i'll see what i can do.. but i think it should be okay
[11:11:02 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> justin_o: also, need advice on the test plans--we have a few special instructions on set up and running through them.
[11:11:05 EST(-0500)] <jamon> colinclark, nm, works fine if i try it twice
[11:11:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: wicked (smile)
[11:18:27 EST(-0500)] <sveto> colinclark, justin_o: I have an issue with the send mail dialog - in iPhone it makes the native keyboard pop up as I've been using an input field for the email. Someone mentioned that there was a way to prevent this...
[11:19:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jameswy: Don't we want the keyboard to pop up automatically?
[11:19:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Seems awfully efficient
[11:19:45 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> colinclark: absolutely yes.
[11:19:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto: Behavior for free!
[11:20:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[11:20:24 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> sveto: on the object code entry we have our own because we can't restrict the native keyboard to numbers only
[11:20:26 EST(-0500)] <sveto> hm, actually on second thought without the keyboard we won't accomplish much (smile) but it slides down the whole page
[11:20:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto: Can you elaborate?
[11:20:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Or show jameswy a screenshot?
[11:22:02 EST(-0500)] <sveto> colinclark: when the dialog is open, the keyboard shows up and is aligned with the bottom of the screen, so all our stuff gets out of screen save the dialog
[11:22:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ah
[11:22:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> interesting
[11:22:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sounds like you'll probably have to scroll the dialog back into place, maybe?
[11:23:52 EST(-0500)] <sveto> I'll try that
[11:23:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sveto: You should be able to use window.scrollTo()
[11:24:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/DOM/Window.scrollTo
[11:24:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It is supported in WebKit
[11:24:15 EST(-0500)] <sveto> ok, sounds good
[11:24:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I assume you'll need to use jQuery to determine the current y-coord of the dialog, and the go for it
[11:24:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But who knows if this will all work?
[11:25:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> If it does, I'd suggest implementing this as a function that can be reused... something along the lines of
[11:25:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> fluid.engage.scrollTo(<jQElementToScrollIntoView>)
[11:29:14 EST(-0500)] <jamon> colinclark: got a moment?
[11:29:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: fire away
[11:29:45 EST(-0500)] <jamon> http://fluidengage.org:10201/engage/
[11:29:57 EST(-0500)] <jamon> see that message? that didn't happen with 0.1
[11:30:23 EST(-0500)] <jamon> has something changed that a virtual framebuffer is or isn't being used now in 0.3?
[11:31:04 EST(-0500)] <jamon> that'as running tomcat with -Djava.awt.headless=true, without it the error is:
[11:31:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: ack!
[11:31:08 EST(-0500)] <jamon> java.awt.HeadlessException: No X11 DISPLAY variable was set, but this program performed an operation which requires it
[11:31:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> My bad
[11:31:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I gave you a debugging build
[11:31:24 EST(-0500)] <jamon> ah, makes more sense (smile)
[11:31:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Which attempts to spawn the Rhino Swing debugger
[11:32:04 EST(-0500)] <jamon> whew, i thought something might be up like that, is it something i can just remove from WEB-INF?
[11:32:51 EST(-0500)] <jamon> last thing, also getting this message on deploy: INFO: validateJarFile(/home/engage/tomcat-6.0.24/webapps/engage/WEB-INF/lib/servlet-api-2.5-20081211.jar) - jar not loaded. See Servlet Spec 2.3, section 9.7.2. Offending class: javax/servlet/Servlet.class
[11:34:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: hmm
[11:34:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> gimme a minute, i'm just in the standup
[11:34:34 EST(-0500)] <jamon> right
[11:34:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: But it looks like there's a missing dependency there, perhaps related to using tomcat 6?
[11:35:28 EST(-0500)] <jamon> was fine with 0.1 and tomcat6
[11:35:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> interesting
[11:36:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ah, it could be a maven thing
[11:36:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> the container should supply the servlet api for us, if i remember correctly
[11:36:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> meaning it shouldn't be in Engage's war file
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[11:49:59 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: i've made changes to Yura's patch for 331 did you want to double check it after i commit
[11:50:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Yeah, I'll do a quick review
[11:50:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> assign it to me when you resolve it
[11:50:24 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> Thanks... will do
[11:50:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: Building you a new war now
[11:50:40 EST(-0500)] <jamon> thanks colinclark
[11:51:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> my laptop really heats up when building this thing
[11:53:09 EST(-0500)] <jamon> it'll be great when we have a bazaar or git repository and anyone can build it anywhere even with half-completed branches (smile)
[11:53:25 EST(-0500)] <jamon> been wanting to have time to set a bazaar wrapper over svn for y'all to play with
[11:53:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: we were thinking of Mercurial
[11:53:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> hg
[11:53:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> What do you think of that?
[11:53:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We are actually thinking of making the switch within the next few months
[11:53:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Mozilla uses Mercurial
[11:54:04 EST(-0500)] <jamon> they're all lossless, cryptographically signed, and distributed
[11:54:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It seems to have good tooling support, such as a stable Eclipse plugin
[11:54:36 EST(-0500)] <jamon> git is a steep learning curve, not really suitable for many imho
[11:54:53 EST(-0500)] <jamon> bazaar is really friendly, though the eclipse plugins are still coming along
[11:55:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: New war is up
[11:55:47 EST(-0500)] <jamon> thanks colinclark
[11:55:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> any thoughts on Mercurial, jamon?
[11:56:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: you there?
[11:56:17 EST(-0500)] <jamon> colinclark: well mozilla use it, true, gnu switched emacs from cvs to bazaar recently
[11:56:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[11:56:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ah, CVS
[11:56:49 EST(-0500)] <jamon> the thing that pulls me to bazaar is good multiplatform gui support, and the fact that they have integrated svn support
[11:56:55 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes
[11:56:59 EST(-0500)] <jamon> i think mercurial uses a 3rd party wrapper for that
[11:57:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: I'm looking at the WAR file that is build for Kettle
[11:57:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It contains a copy of the servlet API jar
[11:57:45 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes
[11:57:47 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It shouldn't
[11:57:54 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: i've committed and assigned 331 to you for a second review
[11:57:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ok, just a Maven config issue?
[11:58:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Or is there something deeper to this?
[11:58:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: thx
[11:58:59 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Hi jamon - did the RSF JIRAs get imported anywhere? Since CARET has now turned off the project at their end...
[11:59:59 EST(-0500)] <jamon> Bosmon: i haven't had time to do it, we also need a jira license, does the export contain it?
[12:00:07 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> colinclark - should be just a config issue...
[12:00:19 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> jamon - I don't know... do I have the export?
[12:00:24 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I can apply for one, I guess
[12:00:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: I'll take a look at it
[12:00:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> the servlet api issue, that is
[12:00:55 EST(-0500)] <jamon> Bosmon: i have an issues csv export from daniel
[12:01:11 EST(-0500)] <jamon> colinclark: http://fluidengage.org/engage/demo/index.html does that look like it should?
[12:01:35 EST(-0500)] <jamon> nothing mccord works (sad)
[12:01:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: No
[12:01:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Did we ever remove this demo page from trunk?
[12:02:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: This looks a little better: http://fluidengage.org/engage/home/home.html
[12:02:27 EST(-0500)] <jamon> ah ok
[12:02:38 EST(-0500)] <jamon> /engage should just go there no?
[12:02:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> That would be ideal, yes
[12:02:49 EST(-0500)] <jamon> anyways, seems to be working (smile)
[12:03:00 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: i think it is still in kettle possibly
[12:03:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> we should toast it
[12:03:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> not a big deal
[12:03:38 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> Bosmon, colinclark: it seems like the add note link doesn't work in voice over
[12:03:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: What does it do?
[12:03:57 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: nothing
[12:04:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Can we talk about ENGAGE-331 for a quick sec?
[12:04:59 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Jamon - in terms of the licence, the signup page says "You must be evaluating our products on a publicly assessable website. If you are not, then please come back to this application when you have done so.
[12:05:11 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: this may be related to what i was seeing yesterday with the buttons on object code entry
[12:05:14 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: sure
[12:05:15 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> So it seems we need to start up a "trial instance" first and then they will give us a licence
[12:05:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I don't quite get it, justin_o
[12:05:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> your change in engage-mobile.css sets up this tap highlight for all links and inputs
[12:05:50 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: yes
[12:05:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But then in guestbook.css, you add the same declaration to textareas
[12:06:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Why not do it in one place?
[12:06:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Similarly, you add the same style in Cabinet.css to cabinet handles
[12:06:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Why not put the style in engage-mobile.css generically for all things tappable
[12:06:49 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> i was thinking about that.. for the textarea... wasn't sure because we only use that in one place... but that is something that should happen everywhere
[12:06:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> which might include, at least, links, inputs, and textareas
[12:06:55 EST(-0500)] <jamon> Bosmon: ok, i can do that and give you a login so that you can procure a license
[12:07:04 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> jamon - cheers (smile)
[12:07:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> along with a generic fl- class for other types of tappables
[12:07:19 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: yep.. for cabinet i think it is specific to the component..
[12:07:22 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> ah okay... i see
[12:07:24 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> that makes sense
[12:07:32 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> jamon - the guide says "Setup public access to each free trial instance under your project's website and enable public signups."
[12:07:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ultimately, justin_o this is about DRY
[12:07:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Something we can continue to get better at
[12:07:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> DRY = Don't Repeat Yourself
[12:08:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So, if we wanted to change the tap highlight colour from, say, blue to purple
[12:08:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We'd have at least three spots to change it in
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[12:08:35 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: something like fl-engage-tapHighlight
[12:08:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: or perhaps something a bit more semantic
[12:09:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> fl-engage-tappable
[12:09:17 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: okay...
[12:09:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Go for it.
[12:12:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: I reopened ENGAGE-331 for you
[12:12:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> You're really close (smile)
[12:12:50 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: thanks... should have a new one soon... just have to track down all the uses of the cabinet
[12:13:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: If I remember, it's only in a few places
[12:13:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Browse and Artifact View
[12:14:02 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> ah good that's not too much
[12:14:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: As for the servlet jar...
[12:14:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm wondering if it has to do with our Jetty depedencies
[12:15:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Kettle's pom.xml actually declares a dependency on an older version of the servlet API (2.3) and it is correctly set to "provided"
[12:15:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Whereas we do depend on two Jetty jars that aren't provided
[12:15:35 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I see
[12:15:51 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I can probably fix this...
[12:15:56 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Is it causing a problem, though?
[12:17:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Not especially, so we can leave it
[12:17:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It is causing a warning on startup in Tomcat
[12:17:19 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes
[12:18:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Let's leave it for now, then
[12:18:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: Can you do me a huge favour and file a bug about it?
[12:18:47 EST(-0500)] <jamon> colinclark: i can do that, since i guess it has to be yanked out since tomcat does supply servlet-api.jar
[12:19:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: Tomcat itself yanks it out for us, based on your error message
[12:19:16 EST(-0500)] <jamon> colinclark: yeah because it is in tomcat's libs directory already
[12:19:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yep
[12:19:28 EST(-0500)] <jamon> for tomcat6 anyways, not sure how 5.x.x works
[12:19:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Same for 5.x
[12:19:41 EST(-0500)] <jamon> ok
[12:19:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The servlet API is a "provided" dependency. You need it there to compile, but it shouldn't be included in the actual product, since it is a container-provided thing.
[12:23:31 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> colinclark: One thing I noticed was getting an exception on trying to fetch the cookie when collecting and uncollecting an artifact last night
[12:23:39 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I did see a TODO next to it so I guessed you were aware of it
[12:23:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: that sounds odd
[12:23:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> What was the exception?
[12:23:48 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> But it stops any of the UI working for that
[12:23:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I was not aware of it
[12:24:00 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well, the cookie is null, so finding the "lang" explodes
[12:24:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> AHHH
[12:24:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> There was already a todo above that, was there not?
[12:24:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> A gian
[12:24:15 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes
[12:24:19 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> There was a TODO above that
[12:24:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ah, sorry
[12:24:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I re-read your comment
[12:24:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yeah, it "should never happen" but in fact it's a blatant bug
[12:24:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It can be fixed quite easily
[12:24:54 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> ok
[12:25:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: I'm going to commit against a the tidy up JIRA
[12:25:58 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: roger that
[12:26:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon rightly pointed out that we still have the old crusty Engage 0.1 demo page in the build, but it doesn't work.
[12:26:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So I've removed it
[12:26:08 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> http://fluid.pastebin.com/mf45eae5
[12:26:22 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> is there any reason to not have the label in the anchor
[12:26:44 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> on the phone it doesn't activate the link when you tap on the text
[12:26:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> What is the fl-guestbook-addnote-control?
[12:26:54 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> as it stands
[12:27:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Does it have css background image applied to it or something?
[12:27:13 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> yes, it does
[12:27:17 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Very incompetently
[12:27:33 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> We need a proper image for that, and also someone who knows what they're doing to make the layout actually work (tongue)
[12:28:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Ask jameswy for the proper image and he'll happily attach it to a JIRA for you
[12:28:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm is currently the most active styler around, though I imagine her plate might be a bit full
[12:29:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: If you get a spare split second, can you review my ENGAGE-263 commit that removes the old 0.1 demo page?
[12:29:36 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> justin_o: No idea why not to put the label in the anchor, but I have never seen that markup combination before...
[12:29:40 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> If it works, do it (tongue)
[12:31:12 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> jameswy: Could I have the proper image for the "add note" button? (tongue)
[12:32:50 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Bosmon: I did a bit of guestbook styling and submitted a patch for it
[12:32:55 EST(-0500)] <jessm> lemme track down the #
[12:32:58 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Oh, thanks
[12:33:55 EST(-0500)] <jessm> ENGAGE-389 Bosmon – it needs a review ASAP to get into SVN – i'm just a patcher (smile) rightly so
[12:34:02 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> ok, thanks
[12:34:20 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: any chance that 389 can be on your radar for a quick review?
[12:34:38 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I can review it now
[12:34:54 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: 389 and 263 are up next for me once i clear out 331
[12:35:13 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Bosmon: justin_o: sounds like bos has 389
[12:35:43 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: okay
[12:35:48 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Bosmon: i'm just catching up a bit, but what's the status of 357 and 356?
[12:35:55 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Bosmon: is 356 ready to close?
[12:37:26 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> by the way... i think we are missing the json file from the exhibition view page... the guestbook doesn't seem to be loading for me there
[12:37:29 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> on the iphone
[12:38:57 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Urk... the patch already seems to have some conflicts... I guess I should have got to it sooner
[12:39:11 EST(-0500)] <jessm> grrrr! bah!
[12:39:21 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Bosmon: i can go back to it and start over?
[12:39:29 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> jessm: I closed 356 and the associated ones just now
[12:39:40 EST(-0500)] <jessm> woot woot Bassman!
[12:39:50 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> 357 is "nearly done" only we don't have a UI yet for displaying the message "Abuse already reported, thank you"
[12:40:03 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Although it is not quite clear from the description whether there are two different messages or just one
[12:40:24 EST(-0500)] <jessm> jameswy: ^ insights?
[12:41:34 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> jessm: The patch looks a bit screwy as regards the HTML file, since you seem to have picked up the init block from a different page?
[12:41:50 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Does the page actually fire up properly with that patch in place?
[12:42:10 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Bosmon: used to as far as i could test
[12:42:18 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> And also there are now two container blocks rather than one
[12:42:32 EST(-0500)] <jessm> let me catch up with you
[12:42:50 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> <div class="flc-guestbook-container fl-guestbook" >
[12:42:50 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> + <!-- Navigation Bar and Header -->
[12:42:50 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> + <div class="flc-guestbook-container fl-guestbook" >
[12:43:11 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Bosmon: hrm, that doesn't look good
[12:44:31 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Bosmon: so, the disadvantage of being a patcher: all i have to look at is the patch, i can't pop open the files and have a look – had to revert them so i could create other patches
[12:44:41 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Bosmon: should i attempt a fresh patch?
[12:44:47 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> jessm - if you could (smile)
[12:44:52 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I assume the CSS file is ok
[12:46:32 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Bosmon: i'll give it the old college try
[12:46:32 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> (smile)
[12:46:32 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Bosmon: no, there were some css changes too – look at the bottom of the patch
[12:46:32 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> No, I mean, the patch seems to be ok as applied to the CSS file
[12:46:32 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> But as applied to the HTML it seems to be corrupt somehow
[12:46:32 EST(-0500)] <jessm> ah, i see
[12:46:32 EST(-0500)] <jessm> ok, i'll reconstruct
[12:46:32 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Bosmon: are you all out of blockers then? since 357 is waiting for some styling too?
[12:46:50 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well, I still need to complete the last piece of functionality for Guestbook, as I say....
[12:47:22 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> There are currently a handful of issues... i) the comments list does not update when a new comment is posted, you need to refresh manually, ii) the "report abuse" thinger does not go away if you report it
[12:47:34 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I'll tackle this now... after shower, at least
[12:47:35 EST(-0500)] <jessm> ah, i see
[12:47:38 EST(-0500)] <jessm> nice
[12:47:40 EST(-0500)] <jessm> thanks
[12:49:42 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: just doing some cleaning up in JIRA – assigned 331 to you since you're working on the fix
[12:49:52 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: thanks
[12:53:22 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> jessm, Bosmon: Good question. The storycards detail this (http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Mobile+storycards%2C+artifact+view%2C+draft+9) : specifically, "- Tapping on "Report abuse" on a comment changes the text to "Abuse reported. Pending moderator review.", which is static text that persists through the session (i.e., returning to the same comment later in the same session would show "Abuse reported. Thank you!")"
[12:54:04 EST(-0500)] <jessm> so, gang, 307 is a blocker assigned to sveto and he isn't here
[12:54:17 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: ^ do you happen to know if he's coming back?
[12:54:33 EST(-0500)] <yura1> jessm: he passed the patch to me
[12:54:46 EST(-0500)] <jessm> yura1: great! are you also on 395?
[12:55:08 EST(-0500)] <yura1> i've added the patch to the jira
[12:55:35 EST(-0500)] <jessm> yura1: you going to resolve it then? thereby putting it up for review?
[12:55:45 EST(-0500)] <yura1> yes
[12:56:01 EST(-0500)] <yura1> jessm: resolved
[12:56:19 EST(-0500)] <jessm> yura1: great – and you're on top of 307 then...
[12:56:25 EST(-0500)] <yura1> yes
[12:56:55 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: the 329 patch – will you have a few moments to take a look at it to determine if it too is crusty?
[12:57:01 EST(-0500)] <jessm> yura1: great, thanks!
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[13:26:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> hey justin_o
[13:27:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Slightly confused by your most recent ENGAGE-331 commit, but perhaps I'm just missing something
[13:27:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> How come engage-mobile.css didn't change?
[13:27:17 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> really... it should hve
[13:27:20 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> hmm
[13:27:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And where is tappable defined?
[13:27:29 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> (sad)
[13:27:36 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> i think i missed it
[13:27:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> oops
[13:27:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> don't rush; we've got lots of time
[13:28:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (tongue)
[13:28:30 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> okay it should be there now...
[13:36:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Code changes look good
[13:36:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Im
[13:36:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm gonna try it out on my phone
[13:36:35 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: okay...
[13:40:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: looks good
[13:40:32 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: thanks
[13:41:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: ENGAGE-331is gonzo
[13:41:18 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: there is a bit of a problem with the way the strings are handled for artifactView and artifactCollectoView
[13:41:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Ok, tell me about it
[13:41:40 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: solong press-on-color
[13:42:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[13:42:31 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> basically artifactView is holding onto the strings for artifactCollectView, and then assigns the string bundle to it on init of the subcomponent
[13:42:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: yep
[13:43:27 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> hmm... so i think the easiest way to fix it would be to pull in the same message bundle for both
[13:43:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> well, is this actually a problem?
[13:43:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I realize that it's not ideal
[13:43:55 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> well only conceptually
[13:43:58 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> i suppose
[13:44:05 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> to the user it probably isn't
[13:44:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> To what user?
[13:44:19 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> end user that is
[13:44:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The person tapping on the screen?
[13:44:32 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> yes
[13:44:40 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> people working with the code may be confused
[13:44:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ah ah
[13:44:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I see what you're saying
[13:44:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Yes, it's an error
[13:44:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> No, it's probably not worth fixing for this release
[13:45:03 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> okay
[13:45:10 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> thansk
[13:45:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> You can think of ArtifactCollectView as a subcomponent that "feeds off" its parents strings
[13:45:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And has no strings of its own
[13:45:59 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: sounds somewhat parasitic
[13:46:10 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> i guess this is actually symbiotic
[13:46:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I was just asking Darcie about that
[13:46:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> She has a biology degree
[13:46:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Yes, I'd argue it's symbiotic
[13:46:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Though not ideal for reuse
[13:47:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ArtifactView just has some extra strings it doesn't need
[13:47:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so it shares them with its children
[13:47:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess if My Collection is a lady, I'm not sure what Artifact View is
[13:47:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But friendly nonetheless
[13:47:58 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> (smile)
[13:54:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o or yura / yura1: Do you know why Browse links to fss-text.css and fss-transitions.css?
[13:55:49 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: not sure
[13:56:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Catalogue View also depends on these two
[13:56:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Does yura know, justin_o ?
[13:56:59 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> yura is not sure... he thinks they probably should have been removed
[13:57:12 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: also any thoughts on markup in a string bundlle
[13:57:15 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> or string that is
[13:57:31 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> something like this
[13:57:32 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> collectedMessage: "Added to your <i>My Collection</i>. Tap here to go there now.",
[13:57:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It's not ideal, but I think it is doable
[13:58:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jameswy: I forget... did you want italics or double quotes on that screen?
[13:58:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ^
[13:58:31 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> colinclark: double
[13:58:37 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> colinclark: or italics (tongue)
[13:58:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jameswy: what's your ultimate preference? double or italics? (tongue)
[13:59:23 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> colinclark: double for 0.3b (smile)
[13:59:28 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jameswy: thanks
[14:01:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Do you actually depend on fss-text or fss-transtions, or was that just from cutting and pasting one of the others?
[14:03:02 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I don't believe I depend on them (tongue)
[14:04:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[14:04:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm gonna do some more pruning then
[14:04:48 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> (smile)
[14:23:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: I just noticed something interesting
[14:23:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> which we can fix another day
[14:23:16 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: really... what is that
[14:23:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But the list/grid toggle isn't bookmarkable--the URL doesn't change for a fairly major state change
[14:24:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> whereas a mode=grid parameter in the URL would allow pages to be passed around
[14:24:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And, I guess invoking a page transition would be annoyingly slow, but would provide VoiceOver users with an indication that something actually happened
[14:33:48 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: close 395
[14:33:55 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> sorry... closed 395
[14:34:04 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: great
[14:34:32 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: interesting...
[14:34:48 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> refering to your comments from ten minutes ago
[14:44:24 EST(-0500)] <yura1> so when looking at 403, I ve noticed that guestbookComment component was not internationalized since it didnt render anything
[14:46:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: ^
[14:46:58 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: just looking at something with yura... for my collection... for sending... currently there is a jquery dialog being used...
[14:47:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: ok
[14:47:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yack-ish
[14:47:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I say that with my performance hat on
[14:47:45 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> wondering if you think that will end up slowing the page down with extra js being brought in or if we should just try to make our own overlay quickly
[14:47:57 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: thinking the same thing
[14:47:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Do you see any reason why, if speed weren't an issue, we wouldn't use a jQ dialog?
[14:48:21 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> not really... there are some styling issues at the moment, but i think we could solve those
[14:48:42 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: ^
[14:48:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Ok
[14:49:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Whereas, our other option would be to make a floating div of some kind?
[14:49:07 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: yep
[14:49:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: how hard?
[14:49:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> to do it well and make it accessible?
[14:50:11 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> hmm... not sure... i imagine it won't be modal
[14:51:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jameswy: Can you talk to justin_o for a few minutes about the expected behaviour of the Save and Send dialog?
[14:51:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> "talk with justin_o," that is
[14:51:50 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jameswy: is on a call... but i'll track him down after he's done
[14:51:58 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: ^
[14:52:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So justin_o and yura: Can we check in here in about half an hour to talk about where we're at with freezing?
[14:52:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Or is now a good time?
[14:53:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: I just noticed that object code entry doesn't have the iphone-chromeless JS file
[14:53:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I haven't noticed that before
[14:53:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess it doesn't need it
[14:53:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> because it manages its own page transitions?
[14:53:46 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: just going to say that
[14:54:01 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: i think we can chat now
[14:54:09 EST(-0500)] <yura1> colinclark: sure
[14:54:11 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> check in that is
[14:54:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Do you have a second?
[14:54:42 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Hi there colinclark
[14:54:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Can we do a little status check?
[14:55:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: You've got a few things left for Goose book?
[14:55:13 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> yes
[14:55:28 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes, just doing them now
[14:55:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I was hoping we might freeze at 4 pm EST today (2 pm your time, Bosmon)
[14:55:38 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> ok
[14:55:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yura1: where are you at?
[14:55:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: and you?
[14:55:48 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I will hurry (tongue)
[14:56:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: I wasn't suggesting you rush... more, "Is this feasible?"
[14:56:15 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> oh, yes
[14:56:21 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I think there is a good chance I could be done in an hour
[14:56:31 EST(-0500)] <yura1> so 395 is in trunk, i got all the strings from Hugues, but guestbookcomment is not internationalized at the moment
[14:57:00 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Hopefully the freeze doesn't apply to the CSS work?
[14:57:05 EST(-0500)] <yura1> also looking at sveto's patch for 307 and it needs some work with styling and refactoring
[14:57:07 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> yura1 - which part is not internationalised?
[14:57:17 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> did the reviews and necessary committing to 390, 331, 395, and 263 (removing the old demo)
[14:57:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: jessm may be able to help with a bit more styling
[14:58:01 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> i think bosmon was going to look at 389.... i'm going to try to look at 329 now. Also need to look at 380 again
[14:58:05 EST(-0500)] <yura1> Bosmon: the stuff that has to do with the comment.html page
[14:58:16 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> and jameswy wants to chat with me about the qa stuff at some point
[14:58:43 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: i'm going back to 389
[14:58:54 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> yura1... you're right.... I had forgotten about that (tongue)
[14:59:08 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I will try and take care of that now
[14:59:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: great
[14:59:18 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I guess we can generate a final batch of strings for Uuug (tongue)
[14:59:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> One last batch
[14:59:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ok, so that puts us in pretty good shape
[14:59:39 EST(-0500)] <yura1> Bosmon: do you want me to send you the correct strings? or should I add them afterwards?
[14:59:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> In short, we need to do the following...
[15:00:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 1. Yura will send one last batch of strings for guestbook
[15:00:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 2. Bosmon will take care of i18n in guest book
[15:00:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 3. Yura and Justin will work on Save and Send
[15:00:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 4. Jessm will continue with guest book styling
[15:01:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 5. We'll review 389, 329, and 380
[15:01:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 6. I'll keep trying to make this thing faster
[15:01:28 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> yura1 - do you have them?
[15:01:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Does that seem about right, folks?
[15:01:41 EST(-0500)] <yura1> Bosmon: i just fwded it to you (smile)
[15:01:45 EST(-0500)] <yura1> colinclark: roger
[15:01:47 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: 380 doesn't work though
[15:01:58 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> or should say not adequately
[15:02:00 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> fixed
[15:02:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ah, right
[15:02:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ok, so 307 is higher priority than 380
[15:02:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so...
[15:02:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 7. Fix Code Entry buttons for Voice Over
[15:02:51 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: okay... i'll start working on 307 with your right away then
[15:02:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[15:03:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> your === yura
[15:03:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I made the same mistake this morning
[15:03:21 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> sorry yura
[15:03:28 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> yura1 - where?
[15:03:51 EST(-0500)] <yura1> to your colorado.edu email
[15:03:54 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> m
[15:07:34 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Thanks
[15:07:36 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Got it now..
[15:09:11 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> DAMN!!
[15:09:15 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> THER CATT deleted it!
[15:10:51 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> ok
[15:10:55 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Managed to get it back (tongue)
[15:11:34 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> yura1: There is one more string we need... if there is a new batch going out to him soon
[15:11:37 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: so it seems that the dialog adds at most a second onto load times on an ipod
[15:11:46 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> " "abuseReported": "Abuse reported. Pending moderator review","
[15:11:51 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> justin_o: Which dialog?
[15:12:00 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> jquery.ui.dialog?
[15:12:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: A second is pretty brutal
[15:12:03 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> for the send functionality on the my collection
[15:12:10 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> Bosmon: yes
[15:12:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Leave it for now, though
[15:12:13 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> ok
[15:12:17 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> That is quite remarkable (tongue)
[15:12:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Again, our priorities:
[15:12:28 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> justin_o: Does that include the time for shedding ui.core?
[15:12:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 1. Get everything more or less working and integrated
[15:12:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 2. Make it fast
[15:12:40 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> Bosmon: yes
[15:12:41 EST(-0500)] <yura1> Bosmon: I should send it to him then. there's no more strings other than that
[15:12:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> If we were starting that code from scratch, I'd probably suggest we don't use ui.dialog
[15:13:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But now that we've got it, let's take it one step at a time
[15:13:03 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> yura1: ok, well there is provisionally also another string too, although I don't think I will get to use it now
[15:13:11 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> "Abuse reported. Thank you!"
[15:13:25 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I'm not entirely sure what is meant to count as a "session" - in any case, we don't have support for these (smile)
[15:13:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> a "session" ?!?
[15:13:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Who used that word (tongue)
[15:13:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ?
[15:13:42 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> A DESIGNER
[15:13:43 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> (tongue)
[15:13:56 EST(-0500)] <yura1> Bosmon: ok so these 3 strings then?
[15:14:03 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Mobile+storycards%2C+artifact+view%2C+draft+9
[15:14:14 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> "Comments functionality - step 4"
[15:14:18 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> yura1 - what is the 3rd one?
[15:15:02 EST(-0500)] <yura1> sesstion (smile)?
[15:15:43 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It's ok Vroomfondel, you don't need to translate that (tongue)
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[15:16:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Remind me again why we use the Renderer on the Home screen?
[15:16:41 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> probably has to do with internationalization...
[15:17:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Rendering the labels underneath the icons?
[15:17:45 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: and the nav bar title
[15:17:57 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> i suppose we could do all that with jquery
[15:19:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I may use that as a testing opportunity
[15:19:10 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes
[15:19:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But everyone else depends on the Renderer, so it hardly solves any real problem
[15:19:15 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> That should be interesting
[15:19:19 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> yes
[15:19:26 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It will be valuable data though
[15:19:44 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: yura was just mentioning that my collection doesn't seem to be using the renderer for the strings
[15:19:56 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> i think he said it was internationalizing all of them
[15:19:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So, I've got some "dependency profiles" for Engage now... I'd like you guys to see them, so I'll put them in the wiki
[15:20:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: I followed the first sentence, less so the second
[15:20:29 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> sorry...
[15:20:31 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> bad typing
[15:20:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But if I remember correctly, Sveto had My Collection i18n implemented using plain old jQuery. And yes, it's a design error. But not a bug unless it actively doesn't work.
[15:20:51 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> meant to say it wasn't handling all of the strings properly... yura just stepped out though.
[15:20:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Ah, interesting
[15:21:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'd like to know more about that
[15:21:05 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> so i'll double check what the state is with him when he gets back
[15:21:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> thanks
[15:23:00 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Someone got time for a quick CSS q? (tongue)
[15:23:26 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> So, rules of specificity... ".fl-theme-iphone a" seems to beat ".fl-guestbook-action"?
[15:23:30 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Because it "matches on more things"?
[15:23:50 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> The former rule is included in an earlier file... but I guess that isn't relevant here
[15:23:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> is anyone else finding the wiki glacial?
[15:24:08 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> But for the latter rule, the class is ON the element, whereas the former rule uses more distant info
[15:25:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So far, your reasoning is correct, Bosmon
[15:25:41 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> So... I wrote "a.fl-guestbook action" and it started to win again
[15:25:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> That makes some sense to me, yes
[15:25:58 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> But what units are "specificity" measured in
[15:26:06 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> To mee, ".fl-theme-iphone a" feels like a "less specific rule"
[15:26:17 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Is it because it has two terms in the rule?
[15:26:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> There is a good section in the Eric Meyer CSS book about it
[15:26:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But I don't have it handy
[15:26:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: I believe the first one won in your first case because it had "two points"
[15:26:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Whereas your other only had one
[15:26:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Despite where it was located
[15:27:16 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> That's a bit wacky... are "points" literally just "nodes in the syntax tree for the rule"?
[15:27:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So here are the profiles I've determined: http://www.pastie.org/831398
[15:27:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> No, I used quotation marks for "points" intentionally
[15:27:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I don't know if the CSS rules engine actually scores these sorts of thigns
[15:28:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But Meyer certainly illustrated it with a kind of specificity matrix
[15:28:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I wish I had the book
[15:28:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Let me see what I can find
[15:28:32 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> No worries
[15:28:37 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> We have more imporatnt things for these 30 minutes (smile)
[15:29:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[15:29:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess the rules engine probably does score something like that
[15:29:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Anyway, I will stop speculating and go back to missing Jacob
[15:29:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (tongue)
[15:30:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> With the exception of the cookie plugin, does anyone see any problems with those profiles for Engage?
[15:30:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm not going to bother concating the CSS, since it doesn't appear to be a bottleneck
[15:30:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> At least for now
[15:31:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Oh, Bosmon
[15:32:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> As far as priorities go, our freeze won't apply to performance improvements
[15:32:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so don't sweat pruning until after goose book is honking
[15:32:32 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yeah, I am not pruning now
[15:32:35 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Still cackling
[15:32:40 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Thank the Lord for filesystem testing (smile)
[15:32:49 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It is amazing how much time this saves
[15:33:02 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Those Sakai guys could certainly benefit from this technique (tongue)
[15:35:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It's been very helpful for contributors like jessm to be able to work directly on CSS and HTML without having to run any Java apps or anything to see the components in action.
[15:35:21 EST(-0500)] <jessm> uh huh! +1
[15:35:52 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'm happy to be the poster child for a technique allowing (l)users to develop stuff – super empowering
[15:45:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Do we know if the alt text on home screen icons is necessar?
[15:45:40 EST(-0500)] * colinclark really can't type anymore
[15:45:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> necessary
[15:46:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Does this go back to our "better safe than sorry?" conversation wrt to alt text?
[15:48:09 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: yep
[15:48:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> k
[15:49:08 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: also the text isn't part of the link... so that may be another reason
[15:49:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> k
[16:02:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o, yura1, Bosmon: Any -1s to removing fluid.engage.renderUtils.uiBound() and friends from engageClientUtils?
[16:02:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Also, any -1s to moving the various rendering utils that are used out of engageClientUtils and into a separate file?
[16:02:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Any reason I can't remove the paging code for now?
[16:03:20 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: +1 for all
[16:03:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> 3/4s of the file is paging and render utilites
[16:03:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: ^
[16:04:03 EST(-0500)] <jamon> Bosmon: can you create an evaluation key per this page, i can go no further: http://www.atlassian.com/ex/GenerateLicense.jspa?product=JIRA&amp;version=4.0.1&amp;build=471&amp;edition=enterprise&amp;sid=BQ3P-TCNZ-6Q6L-LFIC&amp;ref=prod
[16:05:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: Bosmon is brutally distracted by our pending code freeze. It's cool if he does it tomorrow, right?
[16:05:49 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Bosmon: could you tell if any of my patch for 389 was salvageable? i'm at that awful place of starting over
[16:06:19 EST(-0500)] <jamon> ah ok
[16:06:35 EST(-0500)] <jessm> oh nevermind i'll start over
[16:27:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: I've moved Paging into the incubator: https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/incubator/engage/client/trunk/paging/js/Paging.js
[16:31:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: engageClientUtils.js is now empty. I've moved the cookie-related code into User.js
[16:33:13 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: that makes sense.. thanks
[16:33:14 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> jessm, justin_o: who's coordinating QA?
[16:33:37 EST(-0500)] <jessm> jameswy: good question
[16:33:48 EST(-0500)] <jessm> jameswy: you mean getting folks organized and such?
[16:33:59 EST(-0500)] <jessm> jameswy: you could do it with me
[16:34:27 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> jessm: yep, that. Sure--do you want to send out the email then? or should I?
[16:34:38 EST(-0500)] <jessm> jameswy: go for it
[16:35:02 EST(-0500)] <jessm> jameswy: do you have a page in the wiki where folks are organized or are there few enough tests that you can just point them all there and get replies from folks who are testing?
[16:35:32 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> jessm: good question. can I ping you about it in 5 minutes? going to get a drink
[16:36:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> For the record, the temperature hasn't quite dropped low enough to freeze
[16:37:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o, yura, Bosmon: Can you fill jessm in on where you're at?
[16:37:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> If I remember correctly, Bosmon is waiting for me (tongue)
[16:37:41 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Thanks jamon - I have just mailed you the eval key
[16:38:14 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> colinclark, jessm: I am "practically ready" with Goose Book.... I have decide to try to remove the use of the renderer from the "Comments" page which has briefly coupled my workflow to colinclark's
[16:38:16 EST(-0500)] * jessm listening
[16:38:33 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Since he is making a new "slimline" version of our EngageClientUtils and moving cookie support into user.js
[16:38:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm, I'm about to commit a change to nearly every page in the system, as well as to several of our key framework files.
[16:38:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> This will improve performance
[16:39:01 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: wow, awesome
[16:39:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Or at least, we hope it will
[16:39:08 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> But I have basically dealt with the I18N issues in GooseBook as well as the "Abuse Reported" bit of workflow and styling
[16:39:11 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: yura1: ???
[16:39:42 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> The only thing left is to check the "page refresh" functionality that will show pages updating when new comments are made
[16:40:10 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> colinclark: Go ahead and remove uiBound with all appropriate speed (smile)
[16:40:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: (smile) It's gonzo
[16:42:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> oh, one quick heads up, Bosmon
[16:42:10 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> as in "gonzo programming"? (tongue)
[16:42:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm moving user.js out of the components folder and into the "framework" folder
[16:42:22 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: we are just trying to tweak the styling a bit
[16:42:25 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> ok
[16:42:32 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: which JIRAs?
[16:42:40 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> for the dialog
[16:42:47 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> sorry didn't finish my sentence there..
[16:42:49 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> 307
[16:42:52 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'm working on 389
[16:43:03 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> colinclark: Can you avoid making commits to anything inside "guestbook"? I will fix that up after your commit
[16:43:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ack
[16:43:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[16:43:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'll omit them
[16:43:19 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> we've almost got it all, but we still need to also get an icon from jameswy and fix a bit of the i18n stuff and then we're done
[16:43:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i need to change them just to test that i haven't screwed anything up
[16:44:11 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: what's the status of 380?
[16:44:28 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: haven't had a chance to get back to that one yet unfortunately
[16:45:00 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> basically the patch on 380 allows the buttons to be announce but when using voiceover the click events don't actually seem to fire... meaning nothing happens
[16:45:32 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> so we are no better than we are without it
[16:45:54 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: can you review 329 by end of day?
[16:46:10 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'm pretty afraid it's gone to crust and will need to be fed by birds
[16:46:22 EST(-0500)] <jessm> to birds
[16:47:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o and yura: The new Artifact View buttons look beautiful!
[16:47:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Nice work!
[16:48:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Op!
[16:48:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I found a localization issue, maybe?
[16:48:23 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I am proposing to strike "fluid.parseUri" from the framework
[16:48:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> In French, on the Exhibition summary page
[16:48:31 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I don't believe it used by anything and has never been advertised
[16:48:34 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> justin_o: what icon?
[16:48:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The "Read more" and "View the full catalogue" buttons are in English
[16:48:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o, yura: Are we aware of this one?
[16:49:02 EST(-0500)] <jessm> has anyone see a little lip at the bottom of the back and home buttons before? what might be causing this?
[16:49:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: I've certainly seen it, yes
[16:49:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I couldn't pin down the cause of it
[16:49:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm not seeing it in trunk atm
[16:49:41 EST(-0500)] <jessm> goosebook is suffering from it
[16:49:42 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> those should have been working
[16:50:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: I guess it's possible I broke something, but it seems unlikely
[16:50:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I really miss having better test coverage
[16:51:01 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> colinclark: how far are we away from freeze?
[16:51:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jameswy: ^
[16:51:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (tongue)
[16:51:16 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> (i.e., when do we send out the QA email?)
[16:51:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: I'm seeing it in the daily build as well
[16:51:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I need about 5 minutes
[16:51:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> B
[16:51:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: how about you?
[16:51:42 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: i was just looking at that... it was working before... not sure when it stopped working
[16:51:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o, yura: how long for you?
[16:51:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ditto, jessm
[16:52:08 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> colinclark: I have turned to refactoring the core framework for a while
[16:52:15 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Let me know when there is a new user.js (smile)
[16:52:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> minutes, minutes
[16:52:22 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> more than 5 mintues
[16:52:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: how long do you need after my five minutes?
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[16:52:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: less than... ?
[16:52:55 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Should be only a couple of minutes
[16:53:09 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Assuming everything doesn't just randomly blow up (tongue)
[16:55:23 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> i'm going to commit a couple of images now.. that should be fast... for 404 and 307... reviewing 329 might take a while... not sure yet... and then have to commit the work for 307. 307 is probably about a half hour out still
[16:55:34 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> we need to test the connection to hugues database still
[16:55:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ok, my big commit is in
[16:55:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Sorry if it randomly blows anything up
[16:59:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: You mean, run a new import? Or something else?
[16:59:06 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: can you review 404 quickly... it was just an update of the home screen image
[16:59:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: sure
[16:59:43 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: thanks... for that other thing i had meant that we are actually sending the data to hugues server to send to the visitor
[16:59:48 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> for my collection
[16:59:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ah, yes
[17:00:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> do we know what url hugues has even given us?
[17:00:45 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: is there an 0.3 filter or just a version?
[17:00:50 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> i think there is one in the code already... commented out... but i'm not sure if that is the real one
[17:01:25 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: filters automatically get created for version numbers once something is assigned with it
[17:01:33 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: we're considering putting all QA bugs into the 0.3 and then prioritizing and scooting the 0.3b ones over
[17:02:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: ENGAGE-404 is closed
[17:02:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> +1
[17:03:58 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: sounds good
[17:05:24 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: we are probably going to have to fix 373 now
[17:05:27 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> or possible
[17:05:31 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> possibly
[17:05:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: How come?
[17:06:19 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jameswy just mentioned to me that voiceover announces them
[17:06:24 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> let me double check
[17:06:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Not a blocker until we fix a few other Voice Over issues
[17:07:14 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> The most reliable way to deal with 373 would be to start rendering that on the server
[17:07:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Can you remind me why we rewrite the Home screen URLs on click? As opposed to just on lang select?
[17:08:25 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: on which click
[17:08:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> that.locate("links").click(setLanguage);
[17:09:10 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: 329? you never answered and now i'm feeling strange for asking again
[17:10:35 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: sorry... i'm running around my desk a bity
[17:10:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> poor justin being bombarded with quetsions
[17:10:49 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> i'll try to get to it shortly
[17:10:51 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: eek, i'm sorry justin_o, i just have to leave in a few...
[17:11:01 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: k, even if just to tell me i need to start over
[17:11:23 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: okay... i'll take a look at it soon.. hopefully before you leave...
[17:12:03 EST(-0500)] <jessm> justin_o: i'm leaving now – will be back online in ~2 hrs. – leave me an email if you get to it, otherwise, we'll make colinclark dig through my crap-tastic css
[17:12:11 EST(-0500)] <jessm> laterz guys – we're almost there
[17:12:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yep
[17:12:16 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> jessm: bye
[17:12:34 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: are we re-writing the homescreen url then?
[17:12:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: (smile)
[17:12:52 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> i think that is just supposed to change the styling on the page so that it shows the language selection options
[17:13:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok, I'll look at the code more closely
[17:13:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm just refactoring a bit while I'm in the code
[17:13:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> no worries
[17:15:36 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: do you mean the windows.location.search
[17:16:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I mean, I don't understand why we change the URL of our links to other pages when click them
[17:16:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> as opposed to rewriting them when we select the language
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[17:18:00 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> sorry.. i think i was thinking you meant switching to the language selection... but was looking at the selection of the language
[17:20:07 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: so is it redirecting because it's using an anchor?/
[17:20:16 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> and getting caught up with our chromeless stuff?
[17:20:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Don't sweat it
[17:20:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> You work on more important stuff
[17:20:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'll play around here and go back to making things fast
[17:20:48 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: thanks... i'm kind of confused about it at the moment... probably not thinking enough
[17:20:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> no, no
[17:20:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm just asking you cold questions
[17:21:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> You should just respond with "what are you talking about?!?!"
[17:21:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Or "glarg"
[17:24:39 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> (smile)
[18:07:55 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> colinclark, justin_o: I'm about to head out, but I have the start-QA-testing email ready. Should I send it tomorrow morning, or now with instructions to start after you give a green light? (so that our non-EST members can start testing tonight if they so please)
[18:08:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jameswy: now with instructions to wait for the green light
[18:08:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> thanks, jameswy
[18:28:21 EST(-0500)] <yura1> colinclark: so we were looking at sending my collection to Hugues service and there's an weird issue that we noticed. we send the request and we get 200 back, but we still get the error function executed
[18:28:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[18:28:31 EST(-0500)] <yura1> the response is empty though
[18:29:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> where are you making this request?
[18:29:26 EST(-0500)] <yura1> try this http://142.150.154.164:8080/home/home.html
[18:30:11 EST(-0500)] <yura> this is the url that the request goes to : http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/scripts/myCollectionHandler.php?language=fr&amp;action=add&amp;email=fluid.project.team%40gmail.com&amp;artifacts=12388
[18:31:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I like the "Sumbit" button
[18:31:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (tongue)
[18:32:12 EST(-0500)] <yura1> (smile)
[18:32:31 EST(-0500)] <yura1> hah
[18:32:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Who wrote this getLanguage() function?
[18:33:04 EST(-0500)] <yura1> that was in sveto's patch
[18:33:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> frack
[18:33:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> For the logs:
[18:33:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Sveto, patches are better when they contain one fix at a time
[18:33:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We have a utility in kettleCore.js now that lets you parse query parameters
[18:33:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ok, done now
[18:33:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yura1: So you've got a Same Origin Policy issue here
[18:34:30 EST(-0500)] <yura1> riight
[18:34:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Does that make sense?
[18:35:21 EST(-0500)] <yura1> yes, i guess it has to go through the service
[18:38:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yep
[19:01:50 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> So, just uncovered a pretty serious error in the framework code for fluid.kettle.markupSpout
[19:02:15 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Once anyone surfaces, they can take a quick breather from the release rush to see if they can spot the issue with the following code (smile)
[19:02:21 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> for (var key in options.producers) {
[19:02:21 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> handler.registerProducer(key, function(context) {
[19:02:21 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> return options.producers[key](context, rhc);
[19:02:24 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> });
[19:02:24 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> }
[19:10:15 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> Bosmon: what prize do we get if we find it?
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[19:33:11 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: i've been looking at 329 for a while... i'm reverting to the old way of doing the link buttons. The text on the page looks good. Yura was mentioning that the ellipses under the icons should be part of the navigation list style sheets but since this is the only place that uses it, i guess we can live with it for now... the only other problem is the styling for the guestbook part isn't right
[19:35:35 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: i'm going to commit this as a partial fix for 329
[19:39:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[19:43:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Getting late for you, no?
[19:43:22 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: yes
[19:43:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> you hanging in for a bit?
[19:43:45 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> just going to go over 307 with yura and commit it
[19:43:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[19:43:58 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> and then you can take another look at it i guess if you would like
[19:57:25 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> OK, justin_o, colinclark
[19:57:30 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I am getting ready for my BIG COMMIT
[19:57:49 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Note that this will include quite a lot of changes to core Infusion as well, as a result of my refactoring of the core files
[19:57:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[19:58:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Can I help with any of the work?
[19:58:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I've concluded that trying to think clearly about performance tonight is probably out of the question, and we're not frozen for performance tweaks
[19:58:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So I can help out
[19:58:39 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: did you want to fix up the guestbook related styling for 329 after Bosmon's big commit
[19:58:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Otherwise, I'll add some timers and do some measurements for our work tomorrow
[19:58:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: sure
[19:58:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> what about running a new import?
[19:58:56 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Wow
[19:59:01 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I just found a flash video on this page (tongue)
[19:59:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[19:59:24 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Now what are our ipod viewers going to make of this (tongue)
[19:59:32 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: sure.. i don't think we will have time tonigh
[20:00:18 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> Bosmon, colinclark should we be committing the actual url to mccord's database
[20:00:29 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> justin_o: Which urls
[20:00:30 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> OK
[20:00:36 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I have checked everything over that I can
[20:00:37 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> for posting the my collection to
[20:00:44 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> About to COMMITE(TM)
[20:01:17 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Which is the performance JIRA?
[20:02:34 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> 342?
[20:05:56 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: were you saying that the getLanguage function could be changed now...
[20:06:02 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> from my collection
[20:06:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> hang on
[20:06:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> catching up
[20:07:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: the main performance JIRA is 342. If it's related to code pruning, it's ENGAGE-402
[20:07:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: If it's the Flash video attached to the Norman Bethune exhibition, it's actually a YouTube video and so will work fine on the iPod touch
[20:07:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: getLanguage()
[20:08:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> is that the function I saw in My Collection that yura mentioned Sveto wrote?
[20:08:14 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> yes
[20:08:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> just leave it for now
[20:08:31 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> okay
[20:08:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> it's getting awfully close to freeze to be replacing code
[20:08:36 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> yes
[20:08:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But, yes, paramsToMap() is available in kettleCore.js now on the client side
[20:09:12 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> dam it
[20:09:16 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Conflict (tongue)
[20:09:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Meaning, when it gets put into a lighter-weight spot, we can replace all of our query param parsing code with it.
[20:09:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yack
[20:09:35 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> ok... it's benign
[20:10:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: So we'll run a new import tomorrow?
[20:10:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Can we safely do QA without fresh data?
[20:10:21 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: they'll hit broken links
[20:10:47 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> so it's probably better to it before
[20:10:53 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> would you like us to do it quickly now
[20:10:56 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> ok... the only thing I need to do now is update my couch view
[20:11:02 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> So that it doesn't show "deleted" posts...
[20:11:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: I'm not trying to push, no
[20:11:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But it might be a good idea
[20:11:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm sure you guys want to go home
[20:11:46 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark, Bosmon : so whould we be committing mccords actual database url for sending the my collection artifacts to
[20:11:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: What do you think?
[20:12:01 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> "committing"?
[20:12:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: As opposed to?
[20:12:02 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> yura's going to do it now
[20:12:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm confused by your question, justin_o
[20:12:38 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: i suppose it's not a big issue.. wasn't sure if it was private or not
[20:12:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ah, no, I'm sure it's fine
[20:12:51 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> okay... thanks
[20:19:34 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: yura has finished the re-import of the data
[20:19:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yura justin_o AWESOME!
[20:19:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So are you guys able to go home now?
[20:20:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Or are there things still outstanding?
[20:20:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And if so, are they worth doing?
[20:20:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[20:20:14 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> (smile)
[20:20:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Have you guys had dinner?
[20:20:34 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> well... i can committ 307 the unit tests are all broken though
[20:20:46 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> i was going to spend 5 minutes to look at it
[20:20:55 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> and then i was planning on just committing the working code
[20:21:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> What about dinner?
[20:22:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: If you want to leave me with a patch, I could take ENGAGE-307 from here
[20:23:26 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> okay... i'll update it on the jira shortly
[20:23:27 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> thanks
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[20:25:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: you still didn't answer my dinner question (tongue)
[20:25:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yura / yura1 : Are you still around, too?
[20:26:13 EST(-0500)] <yura1> yes
[20:26:21 EST(-0500)] <yura> yes
[20:27:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[20:27:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Anything else left to do, or are you guys ready to go home?
[20:27:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And have you eaten dinner yet? (tongue)
[20:31:59 EST(-0500)] <yura> well, justin_o is creating a patch for 307 with and we are almost ready to go
[20:32:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok, great (wink)
[20:32:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[20:33:46 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> OK
[20:33:54 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> So, I think I have verified all Goosebook functionality
[20:34:07 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Deleting and abusing pages now refreshes and thingummies as it should do
[20:35:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Excellent
[20:35:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It
[20:35:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It looks like we're nearly there
[20:35:55 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> hmm
[20:36:02 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> SOmehow it seems comments do not save on Safari (sad)
[20:36:05 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Damn it
[20:36:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> eek
[20:37:06 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> colinclark: applied the two new patches to ENGAGE-307
[20:37:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o: Great
[20:37:28 EST(-0500)] <justin_o> yura and I are going home now... see you tomorrow
[20:37:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[20:37:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> justin_o, yura: Thanks so much
[20:37:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Go get some dinner (wink)
[20:37:48 EST(-0500)] <yura> good luck guys
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[21:03:00 EST(-0500)] <jessm> goosebook...
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[21:11:48 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: how do i know the font size i'm supposed to use on the guestbook? estimates?
[21:11:55 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i don't see them on the storycards
[21:13:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: sorry, slightly distracted by women's half pipe
[21:13:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> one sec
[21:13:15 EST(-0500)] <jessm> (smile)
[21:13:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ah, font sizes
[21:13:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I have been using the graffle files
[21:13:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> James tells me they are precise
[21:13:37 EST(-0500)] <jessm> k
[21:13:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But honestly, Hugues has reminded us that fidelity isn't our first goal
[21:14:02 EST(-0500)] <jessm> k
[21:14:27 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'll just get this patch out then and do whatever comes next on goosebook – this patch is small and i'm not sure it gets done all that needs to be done.
[21:14:35 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'll ping you once it's uploaded
[21:16:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> k
[21:16:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> that sounds great, jessm
[21:16:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Small patches will be great
[21:17:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Even if there are lots of them
[21:22:15 EST(-0500)] <jessm> lemme just fix this weirdness on the back and home button and then i'll submit
[21:25:12 EST(-0500)] <jessm> nah, i'm just going to commit as is – the home and back have nothing to do with this file and I am not qualified to go upstream
[21:27:48 EST(-0500)] <jessm> k, colinclark i've put up a new patch to 389 – it's quick, so i'm not sure it addresses all of goosebook's styling needs
[21:27:52 EST(-0500)] <jessm> lemme know
[21:28:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: on it
[21:30:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: Couple little things
[21:30:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> looks like tabbing got messed up in the head there
[21:30:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Shall I ignore that, or is it by design?
[21:31:09 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i didn't do anything with tabbing – can you tell me the snippet of code?
[21:31:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and jessm just to be sure, is this patch against the latest version of the trunk?
[21:31:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon made quite a few changes while you were away
[21:31:39 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'm not sure
[21:31:45 EST(-0500)] <jessm> is there a way i can tell?
[21:32:13 EST(-0500)] <jessm> ah, no, it is not – i see there are 74 items to update – that's since about 4p when i opened this
[21:32:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: I fear you'll probably have conflicts
[21:32:39 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: starting over...
[21:32:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> do you want me to help, or are you on it?
[21:32:45 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'm on it
[21:32:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> k
[21:45:11 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: k, just posted another patch
[21:45:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> k
[21:45:16 EST(-0500)] <jessm> it's quick, like bunny
[21:46:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: this looks like a good patch
[21:47:09 EST(-0500)] <jessm> small miracles
[21:49:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> How can I test it, jessm?
[21:49:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Just take a look at the Exhibition pages where Guest book appears?
[21:49:52 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i was unsure of that interaction, so i've been measuring it against the guestbook page loaded in safari and comparing with the graffle
[21:50:13 EST(-0500)] <jessm> the rendering, etc. goes beyond my <div> if you know what i mean
[21:51:36 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: there is still something wrong with the guestbook's home and back button, but it seems a fidelity issue
[21:51:47 EST(-0500)] <jessm> and i've no idea where to find the correction
[21:53:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm not seeing that here
[21:54:36 EST(-0500)] <jessm> it looks ok?
[21:54:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so jessm it looks really good
[21:55:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess the only thing I'm noticing missing is the background colour behind the Add a Note section
[21:55:11 EST(-0500)] <jessm> this is the size bug I should have cut my teeth on – not 329!
[21:55:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[21:56:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: I'm gonna commit
[21:56:22 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: do it!
[21:56:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Will you do the colour, or is it good enough for now?
[21:56:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm trying to find my way out of code changes so we can freeze
[21:56:37 EST(-0500)] <jessm> is there a background color issue?
[21:56:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> aka I'm tired
[21:56:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: Shouldn't the "Add Note" button have a pinkish background colour?
[21:57:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> or maybe grey
[21:57:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm going blind
[21:57:14 EST(-0500)] <jessm> ah, ok, let me try to get that going
[21:57:18 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'll use the colour picker
[21:57:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> cool
[21:57:33 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i'll post another quick patch and then we'll call it on goosebook beautification?
[21:57:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i'll commit
[21:57:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> +1 on call it
[21:57:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> That leaves us with two outstanding issues
[21:57:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bos is tracking down a localization regression in Exhibtiions
[21:58:01 EST(-0500)] <jessm> you want me to resubmit the whole patch or make a new patch?
[21:58:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm fixing a security flaw that the guys accidentally opened up with their My Collection Send feature
[21:58:23 EST(-0500)] <jessm> eek
[21:58:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: I'm gonna commit. Do an update, then make me a patch from there
[21:58:36 EST(-0500)] <jessm> roger that
[21:59:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> one other minor detail, jessm
[21:59:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It looks like you've got TextMate set for Tabs rather than spaces
[21:59:34 EST(-0500)] <jessm> oh no!
[21:59:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> There's a little pulldown at the bottom of the window...
[21:59:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Where you can choose "Soft Tabs"
[21:59:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> That'll do it
[21:59:55 EST(-0500)] <jessm> got it
[21:59:57 EST(-0500)] <jessm> thanks Ace
[21:59:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Anyway, it's easy for me to fix
[22:00:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so don't worry about this patch
[22:01:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: The file had Antranigian braces in it anyway
[22:02:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so an extra tab here or there can't hurt
[22:03:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> it's in, jessm
[22:04:00 EST(-0500)] <jessm> (smile) should i have removed the braces?
[22:07:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[22:08:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It depends on your style
[22:08:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Some of us just leave that stuff for Antranig to finally clean up himself (wink)
[22:09:07 EST(-0500)] * colinclark (~colin@bas2-toronto09-1176130909.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #fluid-work
[22:09:11 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: all our navbar titles are blue – the graffles have them as a grey – are we changing that at some point?
[22:09:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: nope
[22:09:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> too
[22:09:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> too late
[22:09:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> fidelity, you know
[22:09:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I mean, yes
[22:09:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We'll change them
[22:09:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Just not before Hugues actually starts using it
[22:09:45 EST(-0500)] <jessm> gotcha
[22:10:04 EST(-0500)] <jessm> k, just submitted another patch – for that background color on 389
[22:10:08 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: ^
[22:10:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> thanks
[22:10:16 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: are there any other things i can help with?
[22:10:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> dunno
[22:10:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> you could put snowboarding back on instead of ice skating
[22:10:43 EST(-0500)] <jessm> (smile)
[22:10:55 EST(-0500)] <jessm> last night's boarding was insane
[22:12:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: was it mens?
[22:12:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I hear Shaun White did something crazy
[22:12:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The women were really great just now
[22:12:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> your patch looks great
[22:13:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm, for the record this style of patching is really effective
[22:14:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Small pieces, easy to review and to understand
[22:15:26 EST(-0500)] <jessm> yes, men's boarding – awesome
[22:15:46 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: and easy to reproduce if/when they grow crusty
[22:15:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[22:15:55 EST(-0500)] <jessm> had i known, i would have submitted a patch per change
[22:16:11 EST(-0500)] <jessm> it would have been tedious for someone, but it would have helped me out
[22:16:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yeah, i'd recommend it in the future
[22:16:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> especially if you're not quite sure
[22:16:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> that way, committers can pick and choose
[22:16:45 EST(-0500)] <jessm> sounds good
[22:16:55 EST(-0500)] <jessm> if i make a habit of this i bet i'll get much better
[22:17:15 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: should we close this bug or should we leave it open for the inevitable next round of styling?
[22:17:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> let's leave it open
[22:17:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Make a comment with the things you've fixed
[22:17:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and one with things you know still need to be done
[22:17:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and then we're done
[22:25:20 EST(-0500)] <jessm> k
[22:26:59 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: we haven't rebuilt today have we?
[22:27:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I don't know
[22:27:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Want to go for it?
[22:27:30 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: sure, then if there are little style tweaks, i can fuss with them
[22:27:56 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: want me to do it?
[22:28:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: yeah
[22:28:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> still remember the deets?
[22:28:13 EST(-0500)] <jessm> k, rebuilding... yep, i'm in
[22:29:15 EST(-0500)] <jessm> building
[22:34:47 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> What's this about my braces!?
[22:36:06 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Ah... thanks so much for this beautification, jessm
[22:36:22 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Bosmon: i'm glad if it was helpful!
[22:36:40 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It looks great
[22:36:48 EST(-0500)] <jessm> you're sweet
[22:36:54 EST(-0500)] <jessm> we're rebuilding, by the way
[22:36:59 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> the "nightly"?
[22:37:15 EST(-0500)] <jessm> yes, indeedy
[22:37:30 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I'll be excited to see it
[22:37:36 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It has been a somewhat tough day (tongue)
[22:37:45 EST(-0500)] <jessm> doh!
[22:37:51 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I think I have been in this chair for roughly 10 hours straight....
[22:37:54 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> No, nearly 11 (tongue)
[22:38:12 EST(-0500)] <jessm> we're all going to need our hips replaced
[22:38:28 EST(-0500)] <jessm> ah, ok, it's built
[22:38:39 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> awesome
[22:38:40 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> URL?
[22:38:49 EST(-0500)] <jessm> http://build.fluidproject.org:8095/engage/home/home.html?lang=en
[22:39:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Can I get my knee replaced?
[22:39:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And a lobotomy?
[22:39:31 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> http://build.fluidproject.org:8095/engage/guestbook/guestbook.html?db=mccord_exhibitions&amp;type=exhibition&amp;id=Peintres+juifs+de+Montréal.+Témoins+de+leur+époque%2C+1930-1948&lang=fr
[22:39:36 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> See your marvellous handiwork (tongue)
[22:40:05 EST(-0500)] <jessm> it's French catts
[22:40:32 EST(-0500)] <jessm> uh oh
[22:40:41 EST(-0500)] <jessm> home is broken
[22:40:47 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> uups (tongue)
[22:40:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ok, so I've modified Justin and Yura's ENGAGE-307 patch to remove the security risk...
[22:41:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It was accepting any arbitrary URL to POST stuff to
[22:41:06 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> How is it broken?
[22:41:14 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It works for me
[22:41:17 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i can't reproduce, but i just crashed it
[22:41:22 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Oh
[22:41:39 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> btw there's one very interesting/irritating style issue that I wonder if you have noticed
[22:41:40 EST(-0500)] <jessm> My Collection is super cute
[22:41:54 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> If you click on a NavList Entry, for the duration that the mouse button is down, the description text vanishes
[22:42:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Yeah, I've seen it
[22:42:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Fortunately not an issue on the phones
[22:42:15 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> interesting
[22:42:22 EST(-0500)] <jessm> oh, i see
[22:42:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> bizarre, though
[22:43:00 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i've collected my first artifact! a muff!!
[22:43:29 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> !!!!!
[22:44:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So Bosmon, here I go
[22:44:27 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> go?
[22:44:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> directModel is simple a blob of JSON?
[22:44:32 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> To a napp?
[22:44:33 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes, it is
[22:44:42 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I to be honest have no real idea why I named it that way
[22:44:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> What is the distinction between the two models in put()?
[22:44:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And what do I do with the callback?
[22:44:59 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It is the "thing which defines the location of the thing which is being addressed"
[22:45:05 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I think you can probably ignore all of those
[22:45:15 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Think of "directModel" as a slightly tidier and more generalised EL path...
[22:45:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[22:46:08 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> So, it consists of information which is sourced from "the environment" (params, the thread stack, the global config) determining all the variable details of the "model" which is to be addressed (read/written)
[22:46:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Is there an example I can see? I remember the couchDBDataSource, but it seems to have vanished (smile)
[22:46:43 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It is still there (tongue)
[22:46:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> where?