fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-07-27

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[09:55:28 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: ping
[09:56:00 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> jessm: pong
[09:56:13 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> jamon: things went well this weekend?
[09:56:18 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> yep, all done
[09:56:22 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> nice
[09:56:25 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> did it take long?
[09:56:42 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> couple hours of waiting, move too 15 minutes
[09:56:55 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> s/too/took
[09:57:04 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> nice
[09:57:06 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> thanks!
[09:57:21 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> thanks for bearing with me as it was moved, only took a few weeks
[09:57:59 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> glad it all went well – that must be a relief to have it done
[09:58:45 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> indeed, old boxes are getting a little worn out, disks, i/o controllers etc. need looking at
[10:04:03 EDT(-0400)] <heidi_> ajax question: can i dynamically set a div's html to include an <object> embed for a video file? it doesn't load, which doesn't surprise me. i get "Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) "
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[10:12:53 EDT(-0400)] <yura> morning guys, breeze website doesn't seem to be working
[10:13:17 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o>
[10:13:24 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> and we have a meeting soon
[10:14:13 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> i'll email peter at York about it
[10:14:19 EDT(-0400)] <yura> yep, David was the one, to point out
[10:14:53 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jessm: thanks
[10:15:08 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yura: I've committed your patch and am going to e-mail the user about the fix
[10:15:42 EDT(-0400)] <yura> great , I hopefully that fixes the original problem
[10:15:51 EDT(-0400)] <yura> Justin_o: thanks Justin
[10:20:19 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> jamon, do you know if the svn plugin for JIRA is installed?
[10:20:52 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> when I was going through issues this weekend I wasn't seeing the commits links to from the JIRA issues
[10:20:55 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> michelled: i can check
[10:21:34 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> it should be, the whole jira was copied over from vega
[10:22:17 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> michelled: could you give me a sample link so I have something to check for in the logs?
[10:22:31 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2911
[10:22:40 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> thaks
[10:22:41 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> thanks
[10:22:42 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> you need to be logged in to see the subversion commits in JIRA
[10:22:46 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks for looking into this
[10:22:49 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> ah
[10:27:58 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> jamon, I'm realizing that the commits I was hoping to see were from June so perhaps we didn't have the plugin installed at that point
[10:28:12 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> the other thing I'm realizing is that recent commits to the incubator space don't link to the issues
[10:28:34 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2953
[10:30:03 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> i'll have to create a jira account michelled
[10:31:09 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> hmm, the registration captcha isn't working either, is that a plugin as well?
[10:31:13 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> michelled: ^
[10:31:56 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I thought we didn't activate the captcha because of a11y concerns.
[10:32:12 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> i get this when trying to register michelled:
[10:32:13 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Could not initialize class com.atlassian.jira.servlet.CaptchaService
[10:32:33 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> is it possible to check and disable it as an admin user?
[10:33:09 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> michelled: question, are you seeing other more recent commits in svn?
[10:34:41 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes, we are seeing recent commits to trunk such as http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3054
[10:35:06 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> michelled: ok good, so sounds like svn is working, just not with older issues
[10:36:01 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> well, and also not with recent issues where the commits are to incubator. I would guess this is also a problem with scratchpad
[10:40:56 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> jamon: I think I found the place in the administration to set the other svn urls. hopefully this will work.
[10:41:02 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> michelled: great
[10:41:29 EDT(-0400)] <jamon> michelled: in the meantime i should look into this captcha problem, is it possible to disable it for now?
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[10:46:38 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> jamon: I've disabled the captcha for now. we can talk about it again in the future if we are having a major problem with spam because of this.
[11:00:18 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> colinclark, davetrey, fj4000, Justin_o, laurel anyone else planning to come to the dev planning meeting, should we try a skype audio call instead?
[11:00:28 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> it looks like breeze is still not up
[11:00:46 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> breeze is down?
[11:00:55 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> damn
[11:01:09 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ya, jessm has pinged someone about it
[11:01:26 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> should we do the planning here?
[11:01:29 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> or would you prefer skype?
[11:01:32 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> specifically i emailed peter rowley at york
[11:02:10 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I guess we could start here and move to skype if we need to talk
[11:02:18 EDT(-0400)] * michelled is a slow typer
[11:02:36 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> let's try it here and see how it goes
[11:02:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled, you
[11:02:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> you're not the only slow typer
[11:03:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm thinking a good agenda might look something like this:
[11:03:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 1. Quick recap of last week's work (each of us)
[11:03:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 2. Summary of scheduling for upcoming releases (Justin_o)
[11:03:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 3. Overview of planned fixes for Infusion 1.1.1
[11:04:09 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 4. Plans for Engage 0.1 at end of Sept.
[11:04:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 5. Next steps
[11:04:23 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> How's that?
[11:04:38 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> looks good to me
[11:04:42 EDT(-0400)] <davetrey> good
[11:04:55 EDT(-0400)] <yura> sounds good
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[11:05:24 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I was just looking over some notes from last meeting
[11:05:33 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> me too... except I haven't compiled a list of bugs that need to be fixed for 1.1.1 yet...
[11:05:34 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Goals & Milestones by Sept.:
[11:05:34 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> -------------------------
[11:05:34 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Infusion 1.2:
[11:05:34 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> * New IoC Container
[11:05:35 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> * First step towards Render 2.0
[11:05:35 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> * Targeted improvements/bug fixes
[11:05:36 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Engage 0.1:
[11:05:38 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> * Handful of components for browsing, viewing, tagging objects in an exhibit
[11:05:40 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> * Services to support these UIs
[11:05:42 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> * mFSS so far
[11:06:06 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Justin_o: have you heard from any Infusion users about bugs they need fixed?
[11:08:04 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I think we've got all of the recent ones done... I believe colinclark was mentioning one other one from the past for uploader, and there may be one other one that I'm forgetting
[11:08:28 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Maybe now is actually a good time to remind us of the new release schedule...
[11:08:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> for Infusion 1.1.1, 1.2 and Engage 0.1
[11:08:55 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay...
[11:09:21 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> so initially we had anticipated doing a 1.2 release at the end of august and an engage 0.1 around the end of september
[11:10:15 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> due to some time issues and improvemenets that we want to make, we are going to try syncing up the engage 0.1 and 1.2 releases and have them both come out toward the end of september
[11:10:51 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> "Time issues" being, it's nearly August and people are going on vacation.
[11:11:02 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> in the mean time, we do have a few issues that have come up from our users, that we would like distribute fixes for
[11:11:09 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thus a 1.1.1 release seems the best means
[11:11:22 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> which will be a branch from the 1.1 release with some targetted fixes included
[11:11:44 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> this is currently scheduled to be released on August 13
[11:12:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> That means, for those of you have fixes already in trunk, we'll have to backport them into the 1.1.x branch.
[11:12:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Okay, so Infusion 1.1.1 release on August 13. Bug parade is pretty much gonna start now?
[11:12:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> (In the 1.1.x branch)
[11:12:58 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yep that's right... i've just set up a branch for it
[11:13:01 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/infusion/branches/FLUID-1.1.x/
[11:13:13 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I sent a message to the list with a start on what will be included. The changes in trunk that I'm recommending we leave for 1.2 include framework changes and minor things that aren't user facing like tests.
[11:13:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Awesome.
[11:14:27 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So a bit of clarification on the 1.1.1 release, then we'll move on to a summary of what we've all been up to.
[11:14:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Infusion 1.1.1 will be a maintenance release. No API changes, no major new features.
[11:15:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> We'll need to be very careful to keep trunk and the 1.1.x branch in sync with changes. I'm assuming that the general process for fixing a bug will be like this:
[11:15:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> * Justin_o puts it on the bug parade.
[11:15:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> * We fix it in trunk first
[11:15:44 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> * We backport the fix to the 1.1.x branch
[11:15:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And off we go.
[11:15:51 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Seem cool?
[11:16:12 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> so although we're in bug parade we can actually still make changes to trunk that won't be shipped in the 1.1.1
[11:16:25 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> meaning the bug parade rules apply to the branch
[11:16:47 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> does that seem right Justin_o?
[11:17:30 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes... that would be correct
[11:17:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> The question came up offline about why we're using this process...
[11:17:56 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> In short, Justin_o's goal for this 1.1.1 release is to not have to kick off a full QA cycle for the while product.
[11:18:09 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> As a result, we want to carefully track each change to the code base so we know what needs to be tested.
[11:18:14 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> This 1.1.x branch enables that.
[11:18:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Any questions, or is this all fairly cool?
[11:18:31 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sounds good to me
[11:19:17 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I guess we could go on to our updates then
[11:19:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Let's do it.
[11:19:37 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: Do you want to lead us through that?
[11:19:43 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Each one of us can give our update in sequence.
[11:19:43 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sure
[11:20:10 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I can give mine first
[11:20:47 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> last week I got couch running on my machine (it took all of 10 minutes I think - thanks to the work Yura and Armin have done to provide instructions)
[11:21:19 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I also started to investigate options for working both in my personal space and for serving this work up on a nightly build
[11:21:38 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I haven't got very far with that but I did have fun playing with couch and jsonp
[11:21:58 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> other then that I spent my week working with other people
[11:22:10 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> perhaps it's best if they explain it themselves
[11:22:20 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> alisonbenjamin, do you want to talk about what you've been doing?
[11:24:04 EDT(-0400)] <alisonbenjamin> sure thing. well I worked on and submitted a patch for FLUID-3011 "Share the slider ARIA back with the jQuery UI community" . i had lots of help from michelle and justin re: unit tests, debugging, and jquery.
[11:24:30 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> awesome!
[11:24:40 EDT(-0400)] <alisonbenjamin> i'd like to finish this: FLUID-2652 "JAWS announces that an inline edit area is a button" asap. armin also wants to help w/ some a11y bugs :o)
[11:24:52 EDT(-0400)] <alisonbenjamin> that's pretty much it, I worked slowly.
[11:25:11 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> alisonbenjamin: you only spend a fraction of your time of dev work - you don't work slowly
[11:25:32 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> colinclark: do you want to update us now?
[11:25:34 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> sure
[11:25:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I've been focused on two major tasks:
[11:26:01 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 1. Get out an overview and proposal for our server-side technologies in Engage.
[11:26:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> That page is linked to in the topic.
[11:26:32 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac read it - it's very good
[11:26:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It'd be hugely helpful to me if everyone can read it, absorb some of the very rich and dense notes behind it, and share your thoughts.
[11:26:49 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ** and the side notes are helpful too
[11:26:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 2. Sketch out some ideas for alternative interfaces for the Renderer
[11:27:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> As we know, building up a Renderer component tree can be a bit awkward today.
[11:27:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Antranig and I have been working on a project to improve that experience.
[11:27:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So last week was really my change to delve into the Renderer--I'd never used it substantially before.
[11:27:53 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Learned a lot. I have a bit of a sketch going, but it's not quite ready for prime time yet.
[11:28:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm hoping that michelled, Justin_o, and Boz can work with me to test its viability.
[11:28:26 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sounds like fun
[11:28:28 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So far I'm working off this JIRA: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2578
[11:28:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> As of Wednesday, I'll be on vacation for two weeks.
[11:28:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And then I'll be at an Open Source Accessibility conference in Vancouver.
[11:28:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So you'll see me back online in about two weeks.
[11:29:00 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> That's it for me.
[11:29:15 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> davetrey: do you want to go now?
[11:29:19 EDT(-0400)] <davetrey> yes
[11:30:13 EDT(-0400)] <davetrey> I've been working on HTML templates for Iphone. Basically everything that can be listed with infusions components and using mfss
[11:30:32 EDT(-0400)] <davetrey> thanks jacob for your help
[11:30:36 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000>
[11:30:45 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> pls ping me if you need anything
[11:31:03 EDT(-0400)] <davetrey> and finishing a new kind of component js to list with json calls
[11:31:06 EDT(-0400)] <davetrey> using renderer
[11:31:19 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> davetrey: Can you elaborate on that last one?
[11:31:25 EDT(-0400)] <davetrey> yes
[11:31:54 EDT(-0400)] <davetrey> I did a javascript based on infusion camp to list related objects on iphone
[11:32:22 EDT(-0400)] <davetrey> very basic though. I'll commit it today in a new task
[11:32:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ah, cool
[11:33:19 EDT(-0400)] <davetrey> and on vacation from August 5 to August 19
[11:33:43 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> fj4000: do you want to update us?
[11:33:48 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> sure
[11:34:32 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> so i;ve been bashing away on the Screen Navigator component, enhancing its performance to be stutter-free
[11:35:09 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> and i've been busy syncing up with the designers and Armin re: the wireframes and what they mean
[11:35:28 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> that's it for me
[11:35:52 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Justin_o: your turn
[11:35:57 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> okay
[11:36:21 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> So I've been a little bit distracted from engage work, looking at some infusion issues for users and putting out that 0.8.1 release
[11:37:09 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> For the browse component I have been looking at it as being made up of several parts
[11:37:22 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> The first part I'm looking at is the list of links to other sections
[11:37:59 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I haven't progressed to far yet though, just starting to work out what a tree would look like for it
[11:38:02 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> that's about it for me
[11:38:22 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yura: can you update us?
[11:38:32 EDT(-0400)] <yura> Last week worked and committed CSV to JSON converter similar to the one for XML; the data from McCord is now in the database on titan. Worked on the user submitted bug in tiny_mce editor (along with Justin and Colin), thanks Justin for committing the patch. Also I was getting into the kettle code, after reading Colin's proposal, trying to run it and figure out how javascript is implemented on the server side and how it is all tied together (along with learn
[11:38:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> super speed!
[11:38:56 EDT(-0400)] * fj4000 tries to wave the smoke away from his screen
[11:39:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yura: i think we just missed the tail end there
[11:39:54 EDT(-0400)] <yura> colinclark: it looks complete to me
[11:40:06 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> "tied together (along with learn"
[11:40:11 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> that was what we saw at the end
[11:40:19 EDT(-0400)] <yura> oh ok, one sec
[11:40:34 EDT(-0400)] <yura> ing new stuff about java servlets). Finally Colin sent me data from mmi to work with for couch, that's what I m working on right now (trying to make the data a proper csv so it could be imported).
[11:40:41 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[11:40:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> awesome!
[11:41:09 EDT(-0400)] <yura> I had a bit of time to type it up in advance
[11:41:14 EDT(-0400)] <yura> that would be it for me
[11:41:30 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> anyone else want to update the group?
[11:42:29 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Ok, I guess we'll move on to a summary of the goals for Engage 0.1, our first release.
[11:42:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So, as Justin_o mentioned, the plan is to release our first incremental release of the Engage product at the end of September.
[11:43:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> This'll be an interesting experiment, because we'll also cut Infusion 1.2 at the same time.
[11:43:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Here are the goals in my mind for Engage 0.1 (feel free to add your own):
[11:44:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 1. Ability to import exhibit data from both XML and CSV.
[11:44:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 2. CouchDB views created, providing data feeds for commonly-needed exhibit data
[11:45:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> (this'll be driven by the components' needs, primarily)
[11:45:40 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Once we have these views in place, this will form a kind of contract that other implementers can conform to if they want to provide alternatives to CouchDB for their data feeds
[11:46:06 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> In other words, for people like Hugues, who already have awesome content management systems and don't want to import their data into yet another spot.
[11:46:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 3. User interfaces for browsing through an exhibit, viewing objects/artifacts within the exhibit, and adding tags to those artifacts.
[11:46:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 4. Mobile FSS theme for iPhone
[11:47:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> 5. Component and framework functions for commonly used animations, transitions, and navigation idioms
[11:47:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> That's it.
[11:47:35 EDT(-0400)] <yura> colinclark: anything for android?
[11:47:58 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yura: I'd like to get started on Android work as soon as possible--I think it will make our mFSS and navigation work stronger.
[11:48:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But I don't want to commit to shipping for Android in 0.1. That can wait for the next release.
[11:48:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Does that sound reasonable to everyone?
[11:48:24 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> the great thing about this list is that 1, 4 and 5 are well on their way.
[11:48:26 EDT(-0400)] <yura> yep
[11:48:34 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes
[11:48:36 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> i just need yura for the simulator
[11:48:53 EDT(-0400)] <yura> Ill be there tomorrow
[11:49:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fj4000: We'll get set up with an Android marketplace account and buy one of the dev phones soon, too.
[11:49:14 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> cool
[11:49:22 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So, in terms of how this affects each of us:
[11:49:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yura is doing a great job on #1, and I'm thinking he'll pick up #2 with help from michelled and Bosmon.
[11:50:08 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> #3 is fairly big, and we've got michelled, Justin_o, and davetrey working on that.
[11:50:29 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> and Armin as well
[11:50:32 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> thanks
[11:50:49 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fj4000's making process on #4 and #5, but I'm figuring he's probably going to need some help with it over the next little while. We'll see what we can do.
[11:51:06 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> and i should be migrating slowly to Decapod as that grows
[11:51:28 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fj4000: Don't sweat Decapod.
[11:51:29 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[11:51:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I hate to speak for him when he's not here, but I can confidently say that Bosmon will be busy with the features required for Infusion 1.2.
[11:52:15 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> And then I'm assuming Justin_o will hand out individual 1.1.1 bugs for us each to fix as needed.
[11:52:29 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> In terms of getting more eyes and hands on #4 and #5 I think the first step is the code tour that was originally planned for after this meeting
[11:52:31 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes... hopefully not many
[11:52:44 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yes, we should reschedule that, right?
[11:52:54 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> how does tomorrow sound?
[11:53:09 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> the calendar looks empty
[11:53:32 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ok, lets try for 11am EST again
[11:53:39 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> if thats ok for everyone
[11:54:21 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> so it seems like we have our goals for the iteration. I think it worked really nicely last time when people organized their work into JIRA and sent that out to the list.
[11:54:28 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> yeah, that was awesome
[11:54:57 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> so, let's all send a note to the list today with our list of about 5 JIRA issues that we will be working on.
[11:55:05 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i'll be looking through jira to setup a bug parade for 1.1.1 and will assign bugs to people as needed
[11:55:27 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I think we used the number 5 last time because it broke up the work nicely. but of course the actual number of JIRA issues will depend on the work you are doing.
[11:55:43 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sounds good Justin_o
[11:56:05 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> anyone not sure what they will be working on?
[11:57:52 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Ok, this is great.
[11:57:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Any other questions, things people want to talk about?
[11:58:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Code anyone wants to share or chat about?
[11:58:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Other stuff? This is the time.
[11:58:51 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ok, looking forward to seeing everyone's emails to the list
[12:00:33 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yura: not sure if knew but there is a #couchdb channel. It seems quite active
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[12:03:18 EDT(-0400)] <yura> michelled: oh i should check it out
[12:03:22 EDT(-0400)] <yura> michelled: tha
[12:03:23 EDT(-0400)] <yura> nks
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[13:16:55 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> anyone here have a favorite jQuery plugin for doing a drop-down menu?
[13:20:51 EDT(-0400)] <athena> EricDalquist: i don't happen to know of one
[13:21:08 EDT(-0400)] <athena> not sure if mpolizzotti might now - i could ask him someday when i'm not in a meeting
[13:28:05 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that's ok
[13:28:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I found a few that look decent
[13:28:23 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> just was curious
[13:30:23 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I wish there was a better way to do CSS includes instead of the main CSS file with a bunch of @import statements
[13:30:35 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> since browsers don't seem to follow those when saving a 'complete page'
[13:38:56 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
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[14:11:14 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> EricDalquist: we've used the jquery selectbox plugin for one of the inline edit examples
[14:11:15 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> http://www.brainfault.com/jquery-plugins/jquery-selectbox-replacement/
[14:11:23 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> perhaps that will be useful for you
[14:11:46 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> thanks
[14:11:54 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> what I'm currently trying out is: http://www.codenothing.com/archives/jquery/single-drop-down-menu/
[14:12:30 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> interesting
[14:13:47 EDT(-0400)] <athena> wonder if it's worth replacing the existing flyout menu in uportal w/ one of those things
[14:14:05 EDT(-0400)] <athena> it'd be pretty attractive assuming they handle all the irritating IE issues and such
[14:16:57 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> no idea
[14:17:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'll have to do some testing
[14:17:40 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> what were the ie issues with the flyouts?
[14:49:18 EDT(-0400)] <athena> EricDalquist: IE is susceptible to having things like flyouts wind up under select menus and such
[14:49:53 EDT(-0400)] <athena> there are some strange issues with z-index not doing what you expect it to
[14:50:28 EDT(-0400)] <athena> in uportal we add all the flyout content at the very end of the DOM structure and slip invisible iframes under the flyout divs
[14:50:32 EDT(-0400)] <athena> it's all extremely annoying
[14:51:32 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ah
[14:51:33 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[14:51:33 EDT(-0400)] <athena> but some of those plugins now handle such things, and use the bgiframe plugin for IE, and such
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[16:15:23 EDT(-0400)] <clown> fj4000: here's that test file: http://clown.atrc.utoronto.ca/Fluid/TestAttrMutate.html
[16:15:38 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> thanks very much
[16:23:28 EDT(-0400)] <clown> fj4000: you're very welcome. hopefully it goes some way to solving your problems.
[16:23:39 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> i will give it a shot
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[16:46:26 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Collaborate
[16:46:46 EDT(-0400)] <jessm> click on Skype public channel to join standup
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