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[09:00:30 CST(-0600)] <heidi> colinclark so i'm testing inline edit on FF4/winxp right now, and uploader next
[09:10:48 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> fluid-everyone: Wiki is back up
[09:11:29 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> yay!
[09:12:15 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> colinclark, does Jamon know what the problem was?
[09:17:30 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I don't know
[09:17:41 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> ok, just curious
[09:21:54 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> aren't we all, anastasiac? (smile)
[09:36:09 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> mlam, jessm: Morning!
[09:36:18 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> So our wiki is back and we're making progress
[09:36:19 CST(-0600)] <mlam> morning (smile)
[09:36:24 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i hate cars!
[09:36:38 CST(-0600)] * jessm is here is testing and is fixing to fix up the readme with anastasiac afterwards
[09:36:40 CST(-0600)] <mlam> yah, it was down all morning (sad)
[09:37:06 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> anastasiac is working on Win7/IE 9 testing tasks
[09:37:09 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> anyone know how to turn off javascript in ie9?
[09:37:15 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Can you remind us which one specifically, at the moment?
[09:37:22 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> mlam: You're finishing up the various Uploader tasks, right?
[09:37:25 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> right now, I'm on uploader - almost finished
[09:37:32 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> and jessm you've got two 10.6 tasks on your list, right?
[09:37:37 CST(-0600)] <mlam> colin, very close
[09:37:58 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Uploader FF4 and Rich Text Inline Edit FF4, right jessm?
[09:38:00 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> mlam: wicked
[09:38:05 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: yeppers
[09:38:23 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> wicked
[09:38:52 CST(-0600)] <mlam> i just need to test the uploader in XP really quickly again, and that should be my parts for the uploader
[09:39:25 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Great
[09:39:58 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> heidi is installing 10.6 and then will start in on the low priority items for it
[09:40:07 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> mlam: Do you have access to IE 9 and Win 7?
[09:40:55 CST(-0600)] <mlam> I think there's a machine here with Win 7.
[09:40:56 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I'm thinking that if we test FF4 on Mac, it's a lower priority to test it on Windows, so it's really just IE 9 that we want to get sufficient coverage on before cutting the release
[09:41:03 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> ok, great
[09:42:05 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> colinclark, would you happen to know how to turn of javascript in IE9?
[09:42:11 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I don't
[09:42:43 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> k
[09:42:59 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: i can't get focus using the keyboard on rich text inline edit in FF4 on Mac
[09:43:04 CST(-0600)] <jessm> is that expected?
[09:43:20 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Quite honestly, I don't know
[09:43:26 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I'm only a shadow of the King
[09:43:48 CST(-0600)] <mlam> jessm: which element are you trying to get focus on?
[09:43:59 CST(-0600)] <jessm> mlam: any of 'em
[09:44:04 CST(-0600)] <jessm> tab seems to do nothing
[09:44:10 CST(-0600)] <mlam> (sad)
[09:44:18 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Which rich text example? TinyMCE or FCEditor?
[09:44:21 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> CKEditor
[09:44:23 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> whatever it's called
[09:44:26 CST(-0600)] <jessm> both
[09:44:28 CST(-0600)] <jessm> the whole demo
[09:44:31 CST(-0600)] <jessm> can't get a focus
[09:44:49 CST(-0600)] <jessm> this might be me
[09:44:53 CST(-0600)] <jessm> restarting FF4
[09:44:56 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Lemme try it in my copy
[09:46:25 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: mlam: it needed a restart
[09:46:31 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Cool
[09:46:34 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> It works for me, too
[09:46:54 CST(-0600)] <mlam> ok, cool
[09:47:00 CST(-0600)] <jessm> lookin' good to me too :0
[09:47:05 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Okay, so if people are "squared away," I'll hope on the subway and see you in the office
[09:47:20 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I'll get started then on planning the actual release steps, starting with the Builder
[09:47:36 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Also I think I've got some README text to contribute for Uploader
[09:56:03 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> fluid-everyone: in case you're curious, I've found out how to turn JavaScript off in IE9: Tools -> Security -> Custom Level -> Scripting -> Active Scripting: set to "disable" and then re-start IE9
[10:01:54 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: for uploader tests are you using the demo or the server link? do I need to do both?
[10:02:15 CST(-0600)] <mlam> jessm: both
[10:02:47 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, for most of the tests you can use either/both, but the error checking will only happen on the server one e.g. uploading the same file a second time, etc
[10:13:12 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> bosmon drop down inline edit not working on mac 10.6, ff.36 - are you the one to bug?
[10:23:28 CST(-0600)] <jessm> mlam: is this a known issue?
[10:23:54 CST(-0600)] <jessm> mlam: i'm uploading a file in FF4 on the server and it gives me the yellow error message and then switches to image viewer and shows me the image i just uploaded
[10:24:08 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: That's familiar
[10:24:15 CST(-0600)] <jessm> ok
[10:24:15 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> So, the Image Gallery sort of sucks
[10:24:18 CST(-0600)] <jessm> ok
[10:24:32 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: i also don't get a "stop" option in the uploader while it's happening – is that a known issue?
[10:24:47 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> After an upload, it automatically redirects the user to another page
[10:24:50 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> even when errors occur
[10:25:07 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> as for your second issue, yes, that's a known issue in the HTML 5 version of the Uploader for this release
[10:25:11 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> You can't stop once you've started
[10:26:02 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: ok, i knew about it not stopping on the file that's started, but I don't even see "stop" as an option
[10:26:10 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> yes, that's right
[10:26:25 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Stop is not supported at all in the HTML 5 version if I remember correctly
[10:26:30 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> not awesome, but it'll do
[10:26:53 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> colinclark is the dropdown inline edit a sneak peek? it works inconsistently in most browsers
[10:27:03 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> It's very sneak peek
[10:27:06 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> ok
[10:27:11 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> We're using a third-party jQuery library for the dropdown
[10:27:14 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> and it's tremendously bad
[10:27:28 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> we have a task to replace it with the newer Filament Group widget
[10:27:35 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> which should make it much shinier
[10:27:46 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I expect if you're seeing inconsistencies, there should be JIRAs for them
[10:27:49 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> okay cool. ill file what jiras i find, and leave it at that
[10:27:49 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> if not, file away
[10:27:52 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> thanks
[10:28:47 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> colinclark btw, how cool to install an OS and have more space free than before!
[10:28:55 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> yes, it's pretty neat
[10:42:37 CST(-0600)] <jessm> ering: just because i was late today – i wanted to make sure we aren't overlapping on FF4 testing. At standup you said you were testing in it – what are you testing?
[10:42:47 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i'm testing uploader in FF4 on mac for what it's worth
[10:42:49 CST(-0600)] <jessm> or i think i am
[10:43:56 CST(-0600)] <ering> jessm: i've done "check shipped examples" and i'm waiting for a link to test TableOfContents. see Release+Testing+Tasks
[10:44:12 CST(-0600)] <jessm> ering: ok, cool, just wanted to make sure
[10:44:29 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i am working from that wiki page, but it didn't have one of my tests in there today so i'm double checking just in case
[10:48:05 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> anastasiac is going to grab you a ToC link, ering
[10:48:15 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> hey, what's the "g" for, anyway?
[10:48:17 CST(-0600)] * anastasiac is working on it...
[10:48:20 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> no more almondkey
[10:48:28 CST(-0600)] <ering> thanks!
[10:48:36 CST(-0600)] <ering> oh yeah, i dont' know. my sister and mom call me ering :S
[10:49:09 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> ering, colinclark: http://build.fluidproject.org/infusion/standalone-demos/table-of-contents/html/TableOfContents.html
[10:49:20 CST(-0600)] <ering> thank you!
[10:49:46 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> thanks
[10:50:30 CST(-0600)] <jessm> on uploader is adding already added files supposed to change their filenames?
[10:50:35 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i can't tell from teh test
[10:50:44 CST(-0600)] <jessm> oh nevermind
[10:50:47 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i read it wrong
[10:51:04 CST(-0600)] <jessm> Test 3: Add Files, Files Already in the File Queue doesn't mean add files that are already in the queue (smile)
[10:51:13 CST(-0600)] * jessm is being very literal today
[11:01:45 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> (smile)
[11:03:33 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: so, i uploaded a large number and it said it did 2 of 29, but it actually did about 8 of 29 – do i care that it lied to me?
[11:03:42 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> woah i totally spaced out for stand-up. my update: testing
[11:03:50 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I think you do, jessm
[11:03:55 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Can you reproduce it?
[11:04:21 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: lemme see
[11:06:33 CST(-0600)] <jessm> it just told me it did 11 of 35 but it looks like it did 13
[11:06:57 CST(-0600)] <jessm> and is it an image gallery issue if after upload it takes me to a screen that doesn't have the images i uploaded, but other images to tag?
[11:07:38 CST(-0600)] <jessm> plus apologies to everyone for all the random pictures i'm uploading
[11:07:43 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i'm running out of material
[11:12:06 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: No worries
[11:12:26 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> And yes, it's an Image Gallery issue that it takes you to a screen that doesn't have your images on it
[11:12:51 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> You should, however, verify in the Browse Images & Collections screen that your images were uploaded successfully
[11:12:59 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> As for your counting problem, jessm
[11:13:07 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Can you write a recipe for me to try to reproduce it with?
[11:13:46 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: hrm, upload a bunch of images at once – and quickly take not of the number it says it's uploaded and then count them in the image gallery – let me try it one more time myself
[11:16:04 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: eek, all 30 failed
[11:16:40 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Maybe duplicates?
[11:16:53 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I can restart the image gallery if you've run out of stuff to upload
[11:17:05 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: ok, 3 of 11 the message said and it uploaded 5 in actuality
[11:17:15 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> odd
[11:17:18 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: i do'nt think there were dups – but yeah, let's restart
[11:17:20 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> let me try to reproduce
[11:17:22 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> which browser?
[11:17:25 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> FF4?
[11:17:30 CST(-0600)] <jessm> yep
[11:17:42 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> fluid-everyone: I'm going to restart the Image Gallery demo
[11:18:16 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: I'll ping you when it's built
[11:18:23 CST(-0600)] <jessm> ok
[11:22:15 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: Okay, it's back
[11:22:40 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> colinclark can i help with anything else? done inline edit testing
[11:23:32 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: 3 of 12 and it uploaded 5
[11:23:41 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: this is amazing
[11:23:47 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> the gallery is now full of cat and dog pictures
[11:23:53 CST(-0600)] <jessm> (big grin)
[11:23:57 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I see what you mean. There's definitely some odd counting going on
[11:24:17 CST(-0600)] <jessm> doh, recycle kitty
[11:24:39 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> cat in a bag in a box!
[11:24:46 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I'm not sure whether we'll count this as a blocker, but I'd like to look a bit more closely into it
[11:24:50 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> heidi_: one sec
[11:25:12 CST(-0600)] <jessm> should i file a jira? colinclark ?
[11:25:21 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: Please, yes!
[11:25:33 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Preferable with a screenshot, but the auto-loading is going to cause problems for that
[11:25:42 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> maybe take a movie?
[11:26:02 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: hrm, ok, lemme try
[11:26:17 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> ering: it looks like you have a chunk of the TableOfContents tests for Windows 7.
[11:26:21 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Do you have a Windows 7 machine?
[11:26:43 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: Do you need any help with any of your Mac testing tasks?
[11:26:56 CST(-0600)] <ering> my sister's laptop boots in windows 7 but i'm having trouble installing the new browsers.
[11:27:03 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: i could hand off the demo uploader testing on ff4 on mac os to someone
[11:27:06 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i'm stuck on server
[11:27:21 CST(-0600)] <jessm> and i missed the 12 noon deadline!
[11:27:23 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> ering: ok
[11:27:26 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: We'll be okay
[11:27:26 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> he
[11:27:44 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> heidi_: Can you pick up whichever of jessm's tasks she needs help with?
[11:27:59 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: Would it be helpful if I tried to take the movie?
[11:28:03 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> while you file the JIRA?
[11:28:32 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: sure
[11:28:39 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> ok
[11:28:40 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> will do
[11:29:25 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: Is that puppy Piglet with some buddies?
[11:29:45 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: it is – puppy Piglet blur with cousins Gracie and Ranger (smile)
[11:31:09 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: how's this? http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4007
[11:31:39 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> jessm shall i grab your pager on FF4 ?
[11:31:50 CST(-0600)] <jessm> heidi_: i tested it – it's done
[11:32:06 CST(-0600)] <jessm> heidi_: i don't know why that wiki page isn't keep my tasks' states clear
[11:32:18 CST(-0600)] <jessm> the only task that should be open is uploader on FF4 on Mac osx
[11:32:20 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> ah
[11:32:34 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> shall i grab that one or are you working on it now
[11:32:51 CST(-0600)] <jessm> heidi_: pager and inline edit are done, but keep showing up unchecked
[11:33:15 CST(-0600)] <jessm> heidi_: uploader is the only one left and i'm about to finish server testing – if you want to run through on demo that'd be really great
[11:33:49 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> jessm sure, do you mean the build.fluid demo ?
[11:34:12 CST(-0600)] <jessm> on this page http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Uploader+QA+Test+Plan i mean this demo http://build.fluidproject.org/infusion/components/uploader/html/Uploader.html
[11:34:36 CST(-0600)] <jessm> heidi_: mlam said to do both tests so, i'm doing server and if you can do demo that'd be great – make sense?
[11:34:44 CST(-0600)] <awills> good morning fluid folks... can someone point me to an example of passing starting pageSize (not 10) to the pager component?
[11:34:57 CST(-0600)] <awills> or maybe just give me a hint?
[11:34:58 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> jessm cool got it
[11:35:15 CST(-0600)] <mlam> thanks jessm, heidi_ (smile)
[11:35:32 CST(-0600)] <jessm> np!
[11:36:25 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> awills: Hey Drew
[11:36:48 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Give us one sec
[11:36:56 CST(-0600)] <awills> sure man
[11:36:58 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> We're in the final stages of QA for the 1.3 release
[11:37:06 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> and this rings a bell for me, but I can't quite place it
[11:37:18 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Lemme finish up what I'm doing, and then take a look
[11:38:36 CST(-0600)] <jessm> mlam: i'm testing uploader server and i dont' get an error when doing the test where i delete a file in the filesystem that's in the queue – is this a known issue?
[11:40:12 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i also don't get an error from uploading identical files test 3
[11:41:24 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i should say i don't get an error until i try to upload. so that might just be an issue with how the test is written, it seems as though I should get an error just from the queue screen before hitting "upload"
[11:41:24 CST(-0600)] <mlam> for the first issue, did you try uploading after you deleted the file from the filesystem while the file was still in the queue?
[11:41:32 CST(-0600)] <jessm> mlam: yes
[11:41:43 CST(-0600)] <mlam> wow, and it still went through?
[11:41:46 CST(-0600)] <jessm> mlam: i emptied the trash, the file name was still in teh queue
[11:41:54 CST(-0600)] <jessm> mlam: no, it didn't do anything
[11:41:57 CST(-0600)] <jessm> let me try again
[11:41:57 CST(-0600)] <mlam> ohhh, that's fine
[11:42:08 CST(-0600)] <mlam> you get an error when you try to upload a file that no longer exists
[11:42:20 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i don't get an error
[11:42:31 CST(-0600)] <mlam> but we don't do any sort of checking right before uploading that the file is still in the filesystem.
[11:42:49 CST(-0600)] <mlam> that is really bizarre.
[11:43:11 CST(-0600)] <jessm> mlam: it seems i can click on upload but nothing happens
[11:43:26 CST(-0600)] <mlam> ugh, sorry, my eyes are all googly this morning. i'm misreading a bunch.
[11:43:41 CST(-0600)] <jessm> mlam: i'm being pretty messy, so i'm sure it's me!
[11:43:44 CST(-0600)] <mlam> yes, all symptoms for the first issue you mentioned are already noted
[11:43:53 CST(-0600)] <jessm> ok, cool
[11:44:34 CST(-0600)] <mlam> as for uploading duplicate files, the image gallery itself should be rejecting duplicate files
[11:45:10 CST(-0600)] <jessm> mlam: yes, it is
[11:45:59 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: Definitely file a bug for the issue of being able to delete a file and not getting an error message
[11:46:12 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: oh, ok, that's not already filed?
[11:46:19 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Not that I know of, no
[11:46:24 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> mlam: Do you know?
[11:46:35 CST(-0600)] <mlam> colinclark: i'm pretty sure it's already filed, let me try to find it
[11:46:48 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: I've attached a screencast of the counting issues I'm seeing with Uploader in FF4
[11:47:03 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Unfortunately it's a Flash movie, but I'm hoping you can take a look at it and see if it matches with what you're seeing
[11:47:11 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4007
[11:47:16 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> mlam: Thanks for looking it up
[11:47:21 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: (smile) you also improved my JIRA! thanks
[11:47:24 CST(-0600)] <mlam> colinclark: jessm http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3996
[11:48:08 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> mlam: Can you elaborate your comment?
[11:48:14 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Does it actually throw an exception?
[11:48:16 CST(-0600)] <jessm> mlam: that isn't exactly what i see
[11:48:31 CST(-0600)] <jessm> mlam: i haven't started uploading when i delete it from the filesystem
[11:48:46 CST(-0600)] <mlam> yes, there's an actual exception in the browser for me....an ajax one
[11:48:53 CST(-0600)] <mlam> ahh ok, you should get that when you hit the upload button
[11:50:19 CST(-0600)] <jessm> mlam: yeah, i get nothing
[11:50:46 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: vid. looks good but does it show the discrepancy or is it just meant to show the large file number?
[11:51:00 CST(-0600)] <mlam> jessm: i'll try it again to confirm
[11:51:05 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: It shows completely bizarre counting during the upload process, I think
[11:51:15 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> It does not show an error in the number of files uploaded, because I couldn't reproduce it
[11:51:25 CST(-0600)] <jessm> inneresting
[11:51:50 CST(-0600)] <jessm> ok peeps i'll be back in an hour – sorry for the interruption!
[11:54:13 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> mlam: We've definitely got a counting bug in FormData browsers
[11:54:27 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Fine in FF3.6, but both FF4 and Safari are pretty wacked
[11:55:38 CST(-0600)] <mlam> uh oh...not good.
[11:57:39 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> nope
[11:57:46 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> awills: Okay, sorry for the delay
[11:58:06 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I have a vague memory of a bug or a quirk in terms of setting the starting pageSize to something other than the default
[11:58:12 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> but I'm going to whip up an example for you
[11:58:14 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> and we'll see how it goes
[11:58:23 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Are you finding anything in particular at the moment?
[12:00:03 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> awills: Actually, no it seems to work quite nicely for me
[12:00:27 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I grabbed the Pager demo located here: http://build.fluidproject.org/infusion/demos/pager/html/pager.html
[12:00:58 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> And I changed the Pager model we're passing in on initialization from:
[12:01:20 CST(-0600)]

<colinclark> model:

Unknown macro: { pageSize}

,


[12:01:23 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> to:
[12:01:32 CST(-0600)]

<colinclark> model:

Unknown macro: { pageSize}

[12:01:37 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> And it worked quite nicely
[12:01:54 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Now this is against Infusion 1.3, so I'll also check 1.2 and make sure this wasn't a bug we fixed
[12:02:05 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> mlam i still get the focus on 'add more' and 'upload' at the same time
[12:02:14 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> i think you closed that issue yesterday?
[12:03:03 CST(-0600)] <mlam> heidi_: I'm not getting any focus issues for the uploader in both win and ubuntu
[12:03:06 CST(-0600)] <mlam> is this showing up for mac?
[12:03:07 CST(-0600)] <awills> colinclark that's great, thanks
[12:03:21 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> mlam yeah mac
[12:03:25 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> on firefox
[12:03:36 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> using keyboard
[12:03:39 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> awills: Yep, seems to be just fine in Infusion 1.2.1 as well
[12:03:42 CST(-0600)] <mlam> ack, ok...i'll reopen
[12:03:55 CST(-0600)] <mlam> do u remember the jira number off the top of ur head?
[12:03:55 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Just specify a model in your options when you instantiate the pager, and set its pageSize property to whatever you like
[12:04:07 CST(-0600)] <awills> and it's basically the solution I dreamed up and was about to try...
[12:04:08 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> mlam let me check my email
[12:04:20 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> mlam 3890
[12:04:24 CST(-0600)] <awills> but i was a bit surprised not to find a quick answer for that on this page: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Pager+API#PagerAPI-optionsdescription
[12:04:24 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> awills: Awesome! (smile)
[12:04:30 CST(-0600)] <mlam> thanks heidi_
[12:05:02 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> awills: Big documentation spring coming after the holidays, so we'll make note of that
[12:08:36 CST(-0600)] <awills> awesome. added a comment
[12:09:59 CST(-0600)] <mlam> colinclark: is this what you're experiencing with formdata? http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3988
[12:30:51 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> colinclark done uploader in ff4 - anything else i can help with?
[12:33:18 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> one thing i noticed is if yr going through the uploader list w/ keyboard arrow keys, then tab to add more and add more files, the file previously focused on in the list gets highlighted. i think it's right tho? mlam?
[12:34:54 CST(-0600)] <mlam> heidi_: yah, that's the behaviour i always get
[12:40:23 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> mlam if the focus is on the upload button tho, not sure why teh list is also focused ? and add more button too heh?
[12:49:54 CST(-0600)] <mlam> i don't get the add more highlighting, but yah, i get the double focus
[12:50:02 CST(-0600)] <mlam> i think we should file it
[12:56:52 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> mlam k ill make a jira for the focus on the list thing
[12:57:16 CST(-0600)] <mlam> thanks!
[13:12:35 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> mlam FLUID-4008
[13:17:30 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> anastasiac any documentation help needed?
[13:18:38 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> heidi_, indeed!! lots of it! Do you think you could help out checking the component API pages for correctness?
[13:18:55 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> totally - just got through all of 'em?
[13:19:00 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> pick a component and check the API page: dependencies, the list of supported options, events, etc
[13:19:13 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> cool, will do
[13:19:19 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> heidi_, they all have to be double-checked
[13:19:31 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> maybe keep me up-to-date on what you've done, heidi_, so there's no overlap
[13:20:30 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> anastasiac will do - i'll start with the reorderers
[13:22:12 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: i'm back
[13:22:15 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> heidi_: Were you able to finish up jessm's task?
[13:22:35 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: Welcome back
[13:22:40 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> jessm colinclark i tested uploader demo yep
[13:22:44 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> thanks!
[13:22:51 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I think I'm going to need you next for the README files, jessm
[13:22:52 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> worked - just some focus issues, but nothing major
[13:28:43 CST(-0600)] <mlam> colinclark: here are the new uploader JIRAs from testing: FLUID-3999 (Add more button still active while uploading - regression from options merging), FLUID-4007 (file counting), FLUID-3997 (Can't tab to browse button - IE6/Flash10), FLUID-3996 (Error while trying to upload a file no longer in the file system), FLUID-3995 (image gallery not loading in IE6), FLUID-3994 (related to FLUID-4007), FLUID-3992 (multi-file uploader appears underneath single-file up
[13:28:49 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> mlam: Wicked!
[13:28:55 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Okay, my next steps:
[13:28:59 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> 1. Review the release process
[13:29:00 CST(-0600)] <mlam> yikes, not very readable. do you prefer an email?
[13:29:13 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> 2. Get a release manager--mlam, I'm looking at you (wink)
[13:29:22 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> 3. Work on READMEs
[13:29:38 CST(-0600)] * jessm is going to dive into readme.txt general
[13:29:39 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> anastasiac: You now have the crown for documentation
[13:29:54 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> excellent (smile)
[13:30:07 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> mlam: That list is just fine, thanks
[13:31:28 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, are you available for some help with documentation?
[13:31:58 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Yes, I can help a bit
[13:32:32 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, excellent - it would be great if you could have a look at some of the new framework documentation to make sure there are no errors or glaring gaps
[13:32:44 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/docs/Infusion+IoC and subpages
[13:32:44 CST(-0600)] <mlam> colinclark: what needs to be done for release managing?
[13:32:58 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/docs/Renderer and subpages
[13:33:34 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, you can feel free to either just edit the pages yourself if you find problems, or let me know what to change and I can have a go at it
[13:35:20 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> mlam: Can you start by re-reading the release process page to remind yourself of it all?
[13:35:28 CST(-0600)] <mlam> ok
[13:45:46 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> So, mlam, first up on our list aside from the READMEs is to generate and test the release bundles
[13:46:09 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I think harriswong might have even written a script that helps with this process
[13:46:32 CST(-0600)] <jessm> just to confirm, i'm taking a look at the readme.txt at fluid>infusion>trunk>README.txt
[13:46:37 CST(-0600)] <mlam> oh ok
[13:47:03 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: can you confirm i'm in the right place? ^
[13:47:22 CST(-0600)] <harriswong> colinclark, mlam: script i have give you the differences between 2 trees
[13:47:25 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, yes - that's the main readme file
[13:47:30 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> mlam: Can you start, actually by setting up the necessary JIRAs for the release process?
[13:47:30 CST(-0600)] <jessm> thx
[13:47:49 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> mlam: The key ones include:
[13:48:06 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> 1. Generate and test release bundles
[13:48:18 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> 2. Ensure that component progress indicators are up-to-date
[13:48:30 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: should i work with you on any changes? or should i just note them and then show them to someone?
[13:48:36 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> 3. Generate the release bundles
[13:48:46 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> 4. Tag, package and post the release
[13:48:54 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> 5. Update the demos on the Fluid site
[13:49:04 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> mlam: Can you duplicate the previous releases' JIRAs for these tasks?
[13:49:11 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> jessm, feel free to just note any changes - you could comment on the JIRA (FLUID-3879) or attach a patch, or just ping me in the channel
[13:49:13 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> thanks!
[13:49:16 CST(-0600)] <mlam> ok
[13:49:25 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> mlam: that is assuming they don't already exist
[13:49:37 CST(-0600)] <mlam> i'll check to see if they do
[13:49:47 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> thanks!
[13:49:50 CST(-0600)] <mlam> np (smile)
[13:50:00 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Can you coordinate #2?
[13:50:26 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> colinclark, certainly
[13:50:36 CST(-0600)] <jessm> anastasiac: i'm going to try to patch!
[13:50:57 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm making patches
[13:51:07 CST(-0600)] <jessm> and biscuits!
[13:51:16 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> really? at the same time?!
[13:51:34 CST(-0600)] <jessm> heidi_: you said you're done with the uploader demo test on FF4 on mac osx, right? i'm going to check it off the testing list
[13:51:40 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: not really on the biscuits
[13:51:44 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> jessm yep
[13:52:12 CST(-0600)] <jessm> heidi_: thanks a millionz
[13:53:04 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> seems like I'm actually going to get to shave off my Release Beard tomorrow
[13:53:09 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> we're on track!
[13:55:06 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> mlam: I think FLUID-4011 might be a duplicate
[13:55:16 CST(-0600)] <jessm> hrm, anastasiac i added the custom package builder to the readme and now i wonder if it shouldn't go there. it isn't shipping with 1.3, right? it's just a service. But should it be showcased in the readme?
[13:55:18 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> anastasiac: You mentioned that we already have a README JIRA, right?
[13:55:33 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: I sort of think it should
[13:55:49 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> colinclark readme jira = FLUID-3879
[13:55:51 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: FLUID-3879:
[13:55:51 CST(-0600)] <jessm> Update the README.txt file
[13:55:52 CST(-0600)] <jessm> doh
[13:55:53 CST(-0600)] <jessm> !
[13:56:05 CST(-0600)] <mlam> oops, ok, i'll close 4011
[13:56:07 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> no worries
[13:56:10 CST(-0600)] <jessm> she's too fast!
[13:58:40 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> anastasiac, jessm: Who should I talk to about Uploader "known issues" for the README
[13:59:04 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: me?
[13:59:06 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I'm just chewing through Mike's list of interesting new Uploader bugs
[13:59:07 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: Okay
[13:59:39 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3999: "Add more" button is not disabled while uploading other files
[14:00:57 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3997: Can't tab to the "Browse/Add More" button with the keyboard in IE with Flash 10
[14:01:34 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: i'll add these to the readme?
[14:02:20 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3996: Deleting files on the local filesystem after they have been added to the Uploader's queue will cause inconsistent behaviour.
[14:02:23 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: yes please
[14:02:29 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I'll go through the list momentarily and tell you about any we can remove
[14:04:26 CST(-0600)] <mlam> fluid-everyone: Here are the relevant JIRAs for the 1.3 release: FLUID-3879, FLUID-4012, FLUID-4013, FLUID-4014, FLUID-4015
[14:04:37 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: two quick questions?
[14:04:45 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: fire away
[14:05:04 CST(-0600)] <jessm> 1. why don't i see a licenses folder in my SVN client under src>webapp>
[14:05:15 CST(-0600)] <jessm> 2. what is WEB-INF?
[14:05:25 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> lol
[14:05:36 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i should have said infusion(trunk)>src>webapp
[14:05:45 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> good questions
[14:06:20 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> #1: The licenses folder doesn't exist in the repository
[14:06:29 CST(-0600)] <jessm> ah
[14:06:40 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> it's created by the build, if I remember correctly
[14:08:25 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> #2 WEB-INF is an annoying directory required by the Maven build scripts for Infusion (which we'd like to deprecate one of these days)
[14:09:01 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: I need to ask you a few more questions about FLUID-4007 if you have a sec
[14:09:26 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: sure
[14:09:36 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I still don't fully understand it
[14:09:46 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> and I think it's related to what I've seen, but I need to make sure
[14:09:53 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> So, let's say I pick 12 files
[14:09:59 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Wow, we got past FLUID-4000 ....
[14:10:21 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> you're saying that when you upload them, you see the Uploader tell you that it uploaded "3 of 12 files," but when you look in the Gallery, it actually uploaded all 12 of them?
[14:10:40 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: Is that correct?
[14:10:55 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: yes – but it never does all of them – it will say 3 of 12 but actually have done 5 of 12
[14:13:29 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: from http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Browser+Support#BrowserSupport-Chrome we're supporting chrome – what version?
[14:13:38 CST(-0600)] <jessm> and we're supporting Safari 5, not 4 now, right?
[14:16:06 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: Yes, that's correct
[14:16:23 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: There is no real version of Chrome
[14:16:35 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> only really "the version available on December 22, 2010" or whatever
[14:16:44 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Google automatically updates Chrome quite aggressively
[14:17:07 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Even on VMs that we though hadn't been used in months or years, we magically found the latest version of Chrome installed
[14:17:13 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> hahaha
[14:17:18 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> That is quite scary, really
[14:17:26 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> The Elk are everywhere, watching
[14:17:28 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Schmidt's ELKK reach into every corner
[14:17:29 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Yes!
[14:18:04 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: Just for context, even Yahoo! gave up listing a specific version of Chrome in the A-Grade list
[14:18:23 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> We're just copying them in saying we support "Chrome" rather than "Chrome 7" or whatever
[14:18:36 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> I guess morally, this is quite a problem for us
[14:18:45 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Since Google could make our statement false at any instant
[14:18:47 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: Okay, so for FLUID-4007, you're actually saying that some of your files don't even get uploaded successfully?
[14:18:57 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> It is quite a difficult thing
[14:19:04 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I think they made a very bad decision with this
[14:19:16 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> At the moment, for example, the Uploader doesn't work on Chrome on Mac
[14:19:31 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> we can only assume that this will be magically fixed at some point "in the future"
[14:19:39 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> even though it's just fine now on Linux and Windows
[14:19:54 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Chrome is not, for the record, A-Grade for us on any platform but Windows
[14:20:33 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> I guess the modern contract for software is "stuff could break unexpectedly at any instant and you could have no idea why" (tongue)
[14:20:45 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> That seems to be Google's contract
[14:20:50 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> arguably the reverse is also true
[14:20:54 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> and this was Google's motivation for it
[14:21:07 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Yes
[14:21:47 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> If it was possible to DOWNGRADE Chrome, then their model might be more defensible.......
[14:22:21 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> But all of these fascistic Corporations never provide you with any control to reject possibly bad updates
[14:22:43 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3992: When JavaScript is turned off, the Uploader is still visible beneath the Simple Uploader
[14:26:30 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> fluid-everyone: I've marked Infusion 1.3 as released in JIRA
[14:26:38 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> meaning we can file bugs as affecting it
[14:26:50 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> If you have a moment to do some JIRA gardening, I'd appreciate it
[14:26:58 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Updating affects and fix versions accordingly
[14:32:54 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: just working on adding the jiras for uploader – are the existing ones still relevant for the readme?
[14:32:59 CST(-0600)] <jessm> yours were just additions?
[14:33:05 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: those were additions
[14:33:15 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I'm going through JIRA first, and then I'll go through the list in the README and update it accordingly
[14:33:20 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> or at least tell you which ones you can get rid of
[14:33:42 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: excellent
[14:36:16 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> hey bosmon, what would the "stylisticOffset" option be in reorderer's selectors
[14:36:35 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> its not in the documentation but the value is ""
[14:38:44 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: ok, i'm ready to attach my patch to the readme.txt jira
[14:38:56 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> ok
[14:38:58 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Go for it
[14:41:57 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> heidi_: Hmm... I'm sure we "nearly document" this in every release (tongue)
[14:42:41 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> what is it bosmon?
[14:43:04 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> You can see another sample of this kind of thing in the pager
[14:44:03 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Actually this is a bit worrying
[14:44:13 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> This selector appears to be no longer used within the code
[14:44:16 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> I wonder how this has happened
[14:44:41 CST(-0600)] <mlam> colinclark: shall I tag the release in the repository?
[14:44:49 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> mlam: Nope, not quite yet
[14:45:08 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> We still need to finish up the READMEs
[14:45:16 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> It would require some detective work to discover when this selector actually became disused
[14:45:25 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> But since it appears not to be used, you had better not document it (tongue)
[14:45:29 CST(-0600)] <mlam> ok
[14:45:34 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> mlam: If there's nothing else to do until we tag, do you want to take a look at how to deploy the Builder
[14:45:36 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> ?
[14:45:38 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Make sure it's all clear
[14:45:42 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> and then we can go for it shortly
[14:45:50 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> bosmon ok! should we make a jira for removing it?
[14:46:20 CST(-0600)] <mlam> ok, sure
[14:46:32 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> okay, jessm
[14:46:38 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> So you want to make a patch
[14:46:47 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Is this with Versions or whatever that fancy GUI tool is?
[14:47:37 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: versions (smile)
[14:47:42 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> heidi_: A JIRA sounds like a good idea, yes
[14:47:48 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: Okay, so I've never done that myself
[14:47:53 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Maybe a quick screen share?
[14:47:59 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I'm a command line sort, myself
[14:48:04 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, do you mean that "stylisticOffset" is not used in the code?
[14:48:10 CST(-0600)] <jessm> ok
[14:49:03 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> anastasiac: That is what it looks like
[14:49:11 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Although clearly it was used at some point in the past
[14:49:17 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: in skype?
[14:49:36 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> ok
[14:50:40 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> selectable.addClass(styles.defaultStyle);
[14:50:49 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> My guess is that once upon a time it might have been used on this line
[14:50:50 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Line 405
[14:53:16 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> bosmon could you add your comments to FLUID-4016
[14:53:17 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> thanks!
[15:06:58 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> jessm: Remind me of the JIRA ticket you have your README patch on
[15:10:24 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Hi anastasiac: What would you like done with comments/corrections to the IoC docs?
[15:10:42 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Should I just go ahead and make edits or would you like an emailed summary or something else?
[15:10:51 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> The biggest error I notice is on the fluid.demands documentation page....
[15:11:05 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, feel free to go ahead and make edits - that would really help
[15:11:13 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> The description of the arguments makes it look as if there is some connection between the nature of the 1st argument and the meaning of the 3rd one
[15:11:31 CST(-0600)] <jessm> colinclark: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3879
[15:11:37 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> thans jessm
[15:11:40 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> thanks
[15:12:25 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Wow.... I just got a crazy popup from the wiki
[15:12:40 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> It said, "This application wants to store information on your computer using Gears"
[15:12:50 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> !!!
[15:12:51 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Is this a feature of our latest upgrade?
[15:13:11 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Not that I know of
[15:13:16 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> In fact we haven't actually upgraded the wiki
[15:13:21 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> I see
[15:13:32 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> That will be done as a medium-term deliverable for Jamon in the new year
[15:14:13 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> I guess it would be very odd if the very latest version of something plastered you with a Gears popup....
[15:14:26 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> It would, given that Gears has been deprecated
[15:14:35 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> interestingly, all its APIs are still there in Chrome
[15:14:51 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I stumbled across the BlobBuilder while testing the Uploader at one point
[15:21:14 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> bosmon does grid reorderer have an orientation ?
[15:21:30 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> orientation means the drop targets are horizontal or vertical ?
[15:21:52 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Yes, it does have an orientation
[15:22:01 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Although I wouldn't say that the vertical orientation has been tested any time recently
[15:22:02 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> ok will add to its doc
[15:22:08 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> It would certainly present a very bizarre UI
[15:22:13 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Perhaps most appropriate for Chinese people
[15:22:14 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> it would?
[15:22:25 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> A "vertically freely flowing layout"? (tongue)
[15:22:33 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> hmm
[15:23:17 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> bosmon so i guess it doesn't apply to grid?
[15:23:40 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> "There's no reason why it shouldn't"
[15:24:02 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> It's just this combination, on the face of it, doesn't appear violently useful and I don't believe has ever been tested
[15:24:36 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> You could add it as a "possible, but unsupported combination"
[15:24:40 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> bosmon sounds like a good enough reason to leave it out of the grid doc ?
[15:44:42 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> bosmon do you know anything about the (now deleted?) selector imageTitle
[15:44:47 CST(-0600)] <heidi_> for image reorderer
[15:48:14 CST(-0600)] <jessm> happy holidays all
[15:48:23 CST(-0600)] <jessm> i love helping with releases
[15:48:38 CST(-0600)] <jessm> it's the coolest thing – i get to be bowled over every time by just how awesome Infusion is
[15:48:43 CST(-0600)] <jessm> and how awesome this team is
[15:48:49 CST(-0600)] <jessm> thanks to all of you
[15:48:56 CST(-0600)] * jessm sniffles
[15:59:03 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Here's a patch for my Uploader README edits. Can you review? http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3944
[16:03:39 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> anastasiac, colinclark: I've had a first bash at reforming the http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/docs/fluid.demands docs
[16:03:59 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Let me know what you think... I'm noticing one odd thing, do Confluence heading numbers go "the wrong way"?
[16:04:09 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> I made an "h5" but it appears to be rendered bigger than an "h4"
[16:04:17 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> or is this just a styling oddity with the particular CSS we have
[16:05:02 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> I want to say this is a limit on headers > 4
[16:05:06 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> but I honestly can't remember
[16:05:14 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> ah
[16:05:43 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> anastasiac: I think we need some separate pages for "concepts" involved with the IoC system
[16:05:56 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> For example, pages on "context name", "function resolution", "value resolution" etc.
[16:06:01 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Do you have an idea where these should go?
[16:06:15 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> "dynamic environment", "static environment" etc.
[16:06:42 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> I am also foully finding myself using the circumlocution "tree of components" as distinct from "component tree" (tongue)
[16:06:54 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> "component tree" to me firmly conjures up images of a "renderer component tree"
[16:07:29 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, agreed regarding a seperate concepts page - maybe as the first child page of Infusion IoC? as long as we sprinkle links to it liberally throughout, that should be good
[16:08:05 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> as to "tree of components" vs "component tree"? yes, we are really getting to some overloading of terms in several places...
[16:23:41 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> colinclark, I had a look at your uploader readme - looks good. I attached a modified patch to the JIRA,with a comment about the changes
[16:24:36 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> thanks
[16:33:26 CST(-0600)] <Bosmon> Weird problem... I can't start skype, and whenever I try, my connection drops completely
[16:47:45 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Bosmon: I think Skype is fried
[16:48:20 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> anastasiac: FLUID-4018: The "Stop" button is unavailable in the HTML 5 version of Uploader
[16:48:24 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> Can you add that one to the known issues?
[16:51:34 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Super quick once you're done with the general README, can you triple-check this and close it? http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3944
[16:52:01 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> colinclark, will do - I've just attached a revised patch to 3879
[16:59:04 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Can you triple-check my general README commit?
[16:59:18 CST(-0600)] <colinclark> and close if you're happy (smile)
[17:00:37 CST(-0600)] <anastasiac> will do