[13:21:40 CDT(-0500)] <heidi> hey jamon dev.inclusivedesign.ca keeps timing out. thoughts?
[13:22:10 CDT(-0500)] <jamon> heidi: let me check
[13:23:22 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon2: hello are you there?
[13:32:19 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Hi Bosmon
[13:33:29 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> so mlam and I were looking at using IoC for inlineEdit
[13:33:49 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> we are having a bit of a problem with using {}
[13:33:55 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Ah, I was here all the time
[13:34:02 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> It's just that the scroll bar confused me
[13:34:15 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> You know that Gregg Vanderheiden wants to abolish scroll bars
[13:34:35 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes, explain your proble
[13:34:35 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> m
[13:34:41 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> really... that's interesting... would we have to keep everything to a single screen then
[13:34:42 CDT(-0500)] <jamon> heidi: still not loading? anastasiac also, mind poking around the wiki? both are on the same server
[13:34:55 CDT(-0500)] <heidi> its up and down
[13:35:09 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well yes, I think it really is an interesting point
[13:35:22 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: here's what we are trying to do
[13:35:23 CDT(-0500)]

<Justin_o> fluid.demands("fluid.deadMansBlur", "fluid.inlineEdit", ["

Unknown macro: {fluid.inlineEdit}

.editField", "

.textEditButton", "

Unknown macro: {fluid.inlineEdit}

.finish"]);

[13:35:36 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But I think it is as true as anything, that scroll bars are really a concession to what developers find easy to apply, rather than what users find easy to use
[13:36:11 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: i was talking to jameswy about this the other day... he was saying he much prefers scrolling to paging
[13:36:27 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Certainly it's a complex debate
[13:36:34 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But still, try explaining scrollbars to your grandmother

[13:36:51 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> So, does that work?
[13:37:01 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> Bosmon: try explaining virtual paging to your grandmother too,

[13:37:18 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well, hopefully grandmother has used books before...
[13:37:42 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> Bosmon: But virtual pages within a page?
[13:38:05 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well, why should it be a "page" - why not something resembling a "book"?
[13:39:09 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: well for the fluid.demands issue, the arguements are not being resolved.. the second two are undefined... the first is an object with property typeName with a value of "fluid.deadMansBlur"
[13:40:08 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> That's peculiar
[13:41:07 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> that's what i thought too
[13:41:09 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o>

[13:41:18 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> Bosmon: Well, when you turn the page of a book, you turn the entire thing--on a screen, you only "turn" a part of the screen while the rest of it stays the same
[13:41:19 CDT(-0500)] <jameswy> Actually, I don't know where I'm going with any of this. I just don't like clicking and waiting for pages to load.
[13:42:01 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes... Google makes a little progress with that, these days
[13:42:14 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o: perhaps you can put the whole sample on pastie
[13:42:21 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> From what I could see, what you have written should work
[13:42:36 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: http://fluid.pastebin.com/gNrNxEW6
[13:42:43 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Thanks
[13:44:06 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> So
[13:44:12 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> There is an interesting and serious problem here
[13:44:16 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> That I wonder why we have never caught
[13:44:36 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> You can see that the inlineEdit component actually registers its default and type simply as "inlineEdit"
[13:44:40 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Rather than "fluid.inlineEdit"
[13:44:54 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I guess it really does date from the 15th century
[13:45:23 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> So, the demands block is simply doing nothing, and what you are getting to DMB is the "default arguments" to a "little component"
[13:45:48 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> there was inline edit in the 15th century??
[13:46:01 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes, it is why there are scroll bars all over the place
[13:46:04 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> No books, you know

[13:46:58 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: so i have to register the the context as "inlineEdit" instead of "fluid.inlineEdit" and it should all work
[13:46:59 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> ?
[13:47:19 CDT(-0500)]

<Bosmon> Yes, although in fact, "it is no skin off your nose" to change the context specification to

Unknown macro: {inlineEdit}

too

[13:47:34 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> It is still unambiguous since you know it could not possibly resolve onto any other component
[13:48:09 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay.. i'll give it a shot
[13:48:20 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But we may as well correct the overall component too
[13:48:31 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> It's pretty hard to imagine what we were thinking
[13:48:44 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But I guess inlineEdit might have been perhaps the very first "fluid component" that was made
[13:48:55 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I remember Colin made it, in 42 minutes

[13:49:29 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: that's pretty fast
[15:39:09 CDT(-0500)] <heidi> jamon how do i edit news items in drupal?

[15:46:56 CDT(-0500)] <heidi> it's kinda makin me nutty that i can't find something so basic
[15:51:49 CDT(-0500)] <jamon> heidi: send me a url?
[15:52:05 CDT(-0500)] <heidi> http://dev.floeproject.org
[15:52:56 CDT(-0500)] <jamon> heidi: the page has an edit button if you are logged in as a user with authoring permissions
[15:53:14 CDT(-0500)] <heidi> jamon - not the page itself but the news items
[15:53:35 CDT(-0500)] <jamon> what are those items heidi? the things on the right or bottom?
[15:53:42 CDT(-0500)] <heidi> also i don't see a news edit button ?
[15:53:51 CDT(-0500)] <heidi> on the news page
[15:54:19 CDT(-0500)] <jamon> heidi: ah lol, pebkac on my part
[15:54:26 CDT(-0500)] <jamon> heidi: was on dev.inclusivedesign..
[15:54:59 CDT(-0500)] <heidi>

[15:55:43 CDT(-0500)] <heidi> pebkac is a new one for me btw, nicee
[15:56:04 CDT(-0500)] <jamon> heh, i try not to label anyone else with it
[15:56:11 CDT(-0500)] <heidi> hehe
[15:56:39 CDT(-0500)] <jamon> heidi: ok, so, couple ways
[15:56:47 CDT(-0500)] <jamon> first, browse the news item you want to edit via the more link
[15:57:21 CDT(-0500)] <jamon> heidi: otherwise, /admin/content/node/overview is the better way since it gives an overview of all content
[15:58:15 CDT(-0500)] <heidi> what admin menu item would get me there?
[15:58:32 CDT(-0500)] <heidi> don't see any news items at /admin/content/node/overview
[15:58:34 CDT(-0500)] <jamon> ah content management, top left
[15:59:30 CDT(-0500)] <jamon> heidi: you should have 5 items on that page, the last 2 (test news #3 and FLOE site in development) are news items according to the type column
[15:59:53 CDT(-0500)] <heidi> aha!
[15:59:56 CDT(-0500)] <heidi> maybe it's home time :|
[16:00:02 CDT(-0500)] <heidi> brain stopped
[16:00:12 CDT(-0500)] <jamon> exactly 17:00
[16:00:33 CDT(-0500)] <heidi> thank you jamon

[16:00:34 CDT(-0500)] <heidi> ha
[16:01:36 CDT(-0500)] <jamon> np heidi

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