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[02:50:31 CDT(-0500)] <amilchev> Justin_o: any chance you're here now?

[09:23:58 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> cindyli: ping

[09:24:06 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> jessm: pong

[09:24:18 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> cindyli: are you subscribed to the GPII ux list?

[09:24:49 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> jessm: i did yesterday

[09:24:53 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> ah

[09:25:02 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> perhaps still waiting for kasper's approval

[09:25:22 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> cindyli: you should have been able to just subscribe on mailman i think

[09:25:37 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> http://lists.gpii.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ux

[09:26:32 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> after subscribing on this page, i got "your subscription request may have to be first confirmed by you via email, or approved by the list moderator."

[09:27:06 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> jessm: since I didn't receive any confirmation email, i guess my request might be pending for an approval

[09:28:09 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> weird

[09:30:13 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> jessm: just recieved an confirmation email after re-subscribing. i might accidently deleted the one for yesterday's request. I should be on the list now.

[09:30:25 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> yay!

[10:15:13 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled, yzen: cindyli and I finished our first round of comments on the code review for https://github.com/GPII/prefsEditors/pull/6

[11:51:40 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> clown: ping

[11:52:56 CDT(-0500)] <clown> jhernandez: pong

[11:53:48 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> after trying the module ...

[11:54:02 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> do you think it fits our needs?

[11:54:16 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> are you missing something?

[11:54:21 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> do you have any ideas?

[11:55:17 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> right now I have a branch in Android where I am going to do the same, but for Android

[11:55:27 CDT(-0500)] <clown> "do you think it fits our needs?" yes, but I'm trying to think of things we might want to do in addition to this basic functionality.

[11:55:59 CDT(-0500)] <clown> "are you missing something"? I don't think so. I see how it works. I've been looking at the pkit glib documentation to see how it might be extended.

[11:56:45 CDT(-0500)] <clown> "do you have any ideas?" Yes, I wrote an email about using filters to finesse the search. I'm looking into how to use them here.

[11:57:00 CDT(-0500)] <clown> It will mean changes to your code, but I'm not sure how yet.

[11:57:17 CDT(-0500)] <clown> oh, and btw.

[11:57:36 CDT(-0500)] <clown> again with the synchronous calls. Can we get away with that?

[11:58:35 CDT(-0500)] <clown> another btw: thanks for solving this problem.

[11:58:40 CDT(-0500)] <clown> with your code, jhernandez.

[11:58:52 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> we can change it to be async easily

[11:59:09 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> heh, clown yw, I love writing c++ :]

[11:59:22 CDT(-0500)] <clown> you do? why???

[11:59:29 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> dunno

[11:59:39 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> don't ask

[11:59:57 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> ok

[11:59:58 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> so

[12:00:01 CDT(-0500)] <clown> actually, you have written this strange mixture of C++ and GOBject.

[12:00:07 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> heh

[12:00:14 CDT(-0500)] <clown> (not that you had a choice..._

[12:00:18 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> yes, it's strange

[12:01:01 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> but GObject simplifies a lot of stuff

[12:01:10 CDT(-0500)] <clown> shall I try to change it to async? Just to get some experience with this stuff?

[12:01:13 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> and C++/v8 stuff too

[12:01:32 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> I'm ok with it

[12:02:08 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> anyway, I'd like to keep working on the "cross-platform" solution

[12:02:21 CDT(-0500)] <clown> makes sense.

[12:02:57 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> so I'd re-read our thoughts about device reporting stuff, and will compose a mail

[12:03:16 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> I'd like to hear from Steve and others

[12:03:44 CDT(-0500)] <clown> by "re-read out thoughts", do you mean this: http://piratepad.net/aIQKUWQFJJ

[12:03:46 CDT(-0500)] <clown> ?

[12:03:50 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> others == yzen colin kasper Bosmon ...

[12:04:02 CDT(-0500)] <clown> "everyone" in other words...

[12:04:04 CDT(-0500)] <clown>

[12:04:05 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> clown: basically, yes (that piratepad) plus some mails

[12:04:09 CDT(-0500)] * jhernandez nods

[12:05:21 CDT(-0500)] * clown notes that the filtering stuff I posted to the architecture mailing list is do-able using jhernandez's pkit node add-on.

[12:05:49 CDT(-0500)] <clown> the filters are given in the pkit glib interface. Alas, they are enums there...

[12:06:21 CDT(-0500)] * jhernandez nods

[12:06:43 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> in fact, you can see there that I am looking for INSTALLED and AVAILABLE packages

[12:07:32 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> but we can change the add-on to be filter-dynamic

[12:07:51 CDT(-0500)] <clown> btw, looking that pirate pad, line 44, where it declares "OS"? If I do packagekit.searchPackage("OS"), I get every possible package output. Every one of them.

[12:08:05 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> well

[12:08:24 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> OS comes from node.js

[12:08:34 CDT(-0500)] <clown> regarding "filter-dynamic": right, that's what i was thinking. The javascript could call the search function with filters.

[12:09:03 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> not from the device reporter, but this object can be extended

[12:09:26 CDT(-0500)] <clown> what do you mean "from the device reporter"?

[12:09:59 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> you can get the OS details directly from node.js

[12:10:33 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> var os = require('os');

[12:10:49 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> os.platform()

[12:10:51 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> 'linux'

[12:11:04 CDT(-0500)] <clown> oh, I see. So, there is no need to even use pkit in this case (If you want the os you are running on).

[12:11:05 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> os.release()

[12:11:06 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> '3.7.10-1.1-default'

[12:11:12 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> yup

[12:11:17 CDT(-0500)] <clown> gotcha.

[12:11:30 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> our add-on is just to deal with packages

[12:11:47 CDT(-0500)] <clown> but, am I crazy to suggest using filters to narrow the serach for software packages?

[12:11:53 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> aka: what we called "DR Plugin"

[12:11:55 CDT(-0500)] <clown> or just loony?

[12:13:08 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> not loony

[12:13:57 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> ie: if we run this module into a pure-free distribution, we would like to use the FREE filter

[12:14:52 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> so it's not a crazy idea at all

[12:16:15 CDT(-0500)] <clown> yes, that's one application.

[12:16:41 CDT(-0500)] <clown> another is: "don't give me any "devel" packages". I assume that most GPII users just want the apps.

[12:16:55 CDT(-0500)] * jhernandez nods

[12:17:27 CDT(-0500)] <clown> so: PK_FILTER_ENUM_NOT_DEVELOPMENT

[12:17:40 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> yup

[12:17:58 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> in fact, I think that this should be mandatory

[12:18:39 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> now, it could be a good idea if we provide some tests

[12:19:03 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> at this moment we're only testing the "searchPackage" functionality

[12:19:26 CDT(-0500)] * clown looks

[12:20:23 CDT(-0500)] * jhernandez looks for a shared-name (and not usually installed by users) package both for suse and fedora

[12:23:01 CDT(-0500)] * clown talking with wife...

[12:30:03 CDT(-0500)] <clown> jhernandez: my attention is back here now. You were saying that "we're only testing the searchPackage" functionality.

[12:31:33 CDT(-0500)] <clown> actually, shouldn't the test compare an expected result with an actual result?

[12:32:08 CDT(-0500)] <clown> for example, you pass a package name to the search fucntion and compare what you get with what you should get?

[12:32:47 CDT(-0500)] <clown> and that's why you are looking for a shared name that works for both suse and fedora.

[12:32:55 CDT(-0500)] * clown is slow.

[12:33:07 CDT(-0500)] <clown> dbus?

[12:33:18 CDT(-0500)] * clown looks at what packages dbus will give you.

[12:34:48 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> heh, I was looking for a tiny utility such as 'tac'

[12:34:49 CDT(-0500)] <clown> jhernandez: yum info dbus ==> 'dbus;1.6.12;x86_64;installed,fedora'.

[12:35:21 CDT(-0500)] <clown> although, I'm not sure about the 'installed,fedora' part. Yum's output is not the same as pkit.

[12:35:26 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> clown: what we want is a package for installing, check the new id, uninstall it, and then check the new id again

[12:35:58 CDT(-0500)] <clown> jhernandez: I did that yesterday — specifically looking for a package that had no dependencies (self-contained). Let me go find it again.

[12:36:26 CDT(-0500)] <clown> jhernandez: 'dtach'

[12:36:30 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> clown: nice! I'm partially giving some support to the android guys

[12:36:38 CDT(-0500)] * jhernandez looks in his openSUSE

[12:36:48 CDT(-0500)] * clown has no idea what dtach is for...

[12:37:36 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> No packages found.

[12:37:46 CDT(-0500)] <clown> shoot!

[12:38:25 CDT(-0500)] <clown> emacs?

[12:39:31 CDT(-0500)] <clown> no, not emacs. Matches 'xemacs' as well. And a bunch of other stuff.

[12:39:38 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> xDDDD

[12:39:45 CDT(-0500)] * clown checks 'tac'

[12:39:56 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> tac is not available for openSUSE

[12:41:06 CDT(-0500)] <clown> oh, never mind then. But packagekit.searchPackages('tac'), gave me a whole bunch of stuff, including some youtube packages.

[12:41:38 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> yup, but we can just filter out them from the .js side

[12:41:57 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> a bunch of results won't be a problem

[12:42:18 CDT(-0500)] <clown> btw, I also tried passing no argument to searchpackage and got "[]" returned. Strikes me as another test case that worked.

[12:42:19 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> what about pico?

[12:42:25 CDT(-0500)] * clown looks at pico.

[12:42:56 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> it's not installed by default (at least for openSUSE)

[12:42:57 CDT(-0500)] <clown> pico returns six packages.

[12:43:28 CDT(-0500)] <clown> two of the six are devel packages — want to change the filter now to avoid those?

[12:43:37 CDT(-0500)] <clown> in the c++ code?

[12:44:00 CDT(-0500)] <clown> or pass that as an argument to searchPackages()?

[12:44:49 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> I was thinking about filtering the devel packages out by default

[12:45:21 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: yzen and I are trying to use the model tranformations for the produceTree rebasing. We are running into an issue with children

[12:45:29 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> well recursion in general

[12:45:55 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> by adding the NOT_DEVELOPMENT enum

[12:46:05 CDT(-0500)] <clown> so, jhernandez, just put PK_FILTER_ENUM_NOT_DEVELOPMENT right in the C++? Fine with me.

[12:46:33 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - didn't we decide yesterday not to use that approach?

[12:46:35 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> and when installing (from js side), just pick the exact name (in this case: pico)

[12:46:39 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Can you describe in detail what you're doing?

[12:46:55 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> well it's not the prototree anymore

[12:47:10 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> basically we are using the model transformation to change ID and valuebinding

[12:47:19 CDT(-0500)] <clown> jhernandez: well, are taking "testing" or "using"?

[12:47:42 CDT(-0500)] <clown> from a test point of view, with limited filtering, one expects a lot of packages to come out, no?

[12:47:47 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - sounds dangerous : P

[12:47:53 CDT(-0500)] <clown> Unless the package is self-contained.

[12:48:16 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> clown: yup (and both for using)

[12:48:29 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> getting a lot of results is not a problem

[12:48:31 CDT(-0500)] <clown> whoops, I meant "are we talking 'testing' or 'using'?

[12:48:57 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> other than the recursive part, it seems to have simplified the changes

[12:49:49 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> a "if (pkg.name === "pico")" clause will get the specific package we want

[12:50:23 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> so, does pico pull from additional dependencies on fedora?

[12:50:37 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> What do you mean by "the recursive part"?

[12:51:44 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> well the tree's can have multiple levels.. so we need to be able to change the ID and valuebinding at each level

[12:52:15 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - I see

[12:52:22 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I really wouldn't try using model transformations for this

[12:52:26 CDT(-0500)] <clown> jherenandez, re: "does pico pull from additional dependencies on fedora?" yes — let me do a pastebin.

[12:52:32 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> You are, as an old employer would put it, "making a rod for your own back"

[12:53:09 CDT(-0500)] <clown> jhernandez: http://pastebin.ca/2460844

[12:53:58 CDT(-0500)] * clown wonders what picosat is.

[12:54:34 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> ooops

[12:54:45 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> I see

[12:54:53 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> 'pico' is a text editor

[12:55:24 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> seems that is not available for fedora ¬¬

[12:55:26 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> grr

[12:55:49 CDT(-0500)] <clown> oh, right, there is no "pico" in there...

[12:57:30 CDT(-0500)] <clown> what about "orca"?

[12:57:33 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> I'm looking for a tiny app, no deps

[12:57:37 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> is already installed

[12:58:05 CDT(-0500)] <clown> oh, you don't want to remove it.

[12:58:08 CDT(-0500)] <clown> gedit?

[12:58:22 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> the same with orca

[12:58:25 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> so Bosmon (it's me yzen), as a concrete example in case we have a nested array/object structure with a certain key of interest repeating on different levels, is there a way to express that interest in the transformation rules

[12:58:28 CDT(-0500)] <clown> no, not gedit. Way too many dependencies.

[12:58:31 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> gedit cames with gnome

[12:58:35 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> *comes

[12:58:41 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - not a way that works very well, no

[12:58:51 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> You may consider that wildcard support is "not really working" in MT now

[12:59:01 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> And so for this, as well as other reasons, I suggest that you use code : P

[12:59:06 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: but how would it looks

[12:59:13 CDT(-0500)] <clown> I might have one, jhernandez: 'accerciser'.

[12:59:14 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: out of curioucity

[12:59:17 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> We have support for matching path segments as "*"

[12:59:31 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> clown: heh, yes!

[12:59:34 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: but do we need to know the depth for that ?

[12:59:35 CDT(-0500)] <clown> [ { id: 'accerciser;3.8.2-1.fc19;noarch;fedora',

[12:59:35 CDT(-0500)] <clown> name: 'accerciser',

[12:59:35 CDT(-0500)] <clown> version: '3.8.2-1.fc19',

[12:59:35 CDT(-0500)] <clown> data: 'fedora' } ]

[12:59:44 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - yes, you need to know the depth

[12:59:51 CDT(-0500)] <clown> of course I have it installed...

[12:59:55 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> So in general there is no facility for "recursive pattern matching"

[12:59:57 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> it'll pull from some deps, but it's not a problem

[13:00:05 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> ok

[13:00:08 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> And I am not in a hurry to implement any : P

[13:00:14 CDT(-0500)] <clown> does it pull in python?

[13:00:20 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> ipython

[13:00:26 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: thanks

[13:00:27 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> and ipython pulls qt-stuff

[13:00:44 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez>

[13:00:53 CDT(-0500)] <clown> ah, yes. That never gets pulled in for me. I always get the "missing iptyhon* error message on launch.

[13:01:05 CDT(-0500)] <clown> or ipython even

[13:03:24 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> really? installing from repos?

[13:03:41 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> AFAIK, accerciser pulls ipython

[13:04:01 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> under both Fedora and openSUSE

[13:04:19 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> clown: search for 'retext'

[13:04:39 CDT(-0500)] <clown> actually, no. I get the source for git.gnome, and then build it myself. I have a custom viewer for the "Interface Viewer" tab

[13:04:57 CDT(-0500)] <clown> *I get the source for accerciser from git.gnome

[13:04:59 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> it pulls from some python deps, but not too many (2 or 3)

[13:05:12 CDT(-0500)] * clown searching for retext

[13:05:24 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> clown: ok, so if you install it from the repos it'll pulls ipython and co

[13:08:11 CDT(-0500)] <clown> jhernandez: sigh. there is no 'retext' for fedora.

[13:08:16 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> crap!!

[13:09:20 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> ok

[13:09:41 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> what about sl

[13:09:51 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> ?

[13:10:28 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> how's your dog, jhernandez?

[13:10:45 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> can't believe my eyes, sl not available for openSUSE!

[13:10:57 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> colinclark: she's well

[13:11:10 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> good!

[13:11:10 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> she brought 8 puppies!

[13:11:14 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> wow

[13:11:16 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> congratulations!

[13:11:22 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> :S

[13:11:25 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> avtar, puppies! ^

[13:11:30 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> too many puppies!

[13:12:26 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> https://www.facebook.com/javiube/posts/10200770127357397

[13:12:35 CDT(-0500)] <clown> jhernandez: how about 'goudy'?

[13:12:45 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> avtar: puppies! I'll send them to you wherever you are!

[13:12:58 CDT(-0500)] * jhernandez looks for goudy

[13:13:09 CDT(-0500)] * clown wonders if jhernandez is handing out cigars.

[13:13:32 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> jhernandez: toronto. but please also send someone who can tend to them

[13:13:50 CDT(-0500)] <avtar> i'll tackle the playing-with-them task

[13:14:12 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> clown: xDDD

[13:14:21 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> avtar: xDD

[13:14:57 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> clown: not goudy

[13:15:04 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> what about tuxguitar?

[13:15:05 CDT(-0500)] <clown> phooey.

[13:15:18 CDT(-0500)] <clown> I'll try anything, jhernandez

[13:15:24 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> xDDD

[13:16:25 CDT(-0500)] <clown> jhernandez: we have a winner Both yum and searchPackages return only the one package.

[13:16:40 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, michelled, I've created a JIRA for the task of moving and re-namespacing the prefs framework: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-5161

[13:16:43 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> I'm looking for its deps

[13:16:54 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> it makes me wonder if we'll want to create a JIRA component for the prefs framework

[13:17:17 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> just 8 deps here

[13:17:58 CDT(-0500)] <clown> jhernandez: according to the pkit GUI, it has no dependencies.

[13:18:16 CDT(-0500)] <clown> I clicked the "Dependent packages" button, and nothing came up.

[13:18:22 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> ok

[13:18:23 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> no prob

[13:18:56 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: thank you

[13:19:28 CDT(-0500)] <clown> jhernandez: your add-on returns:

[13:19:29 CDT(-0500)] <clown> [ { id: 'tuxguitar;1.2-12.fc19;x86_64;fedora',

[13:19:29 CDT(-0500)] <clown> name: 'tuxguitar',

[13:19:29 CDT(-0500)] <clown> version: '1.2-12.fc19',

[13:19:29 CDT(-0500)] <clown> data: 'fedora' } ]

[13:19:34 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> so, next step: to check both 'install' and 'remove' methods and using the tuxguitar package (sounds funny)

[13:20:03 CDT(-0500)] * jhernandez looks for the output here ..

[13:20:22 CDT(-0500)] <clown> okay.

[13:21:06 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> {

[13:21:06 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> "id": "tuxguitar;1.2-10.1.1;i586;repo-12.3-oss",

[13:21:06 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> "name": "tuxguitar",

[13:21:06 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> "version": "1.2-10.1.1",

[13:21:06 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> "data": "repo-12.3-oss"

[13:21:09 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> }

[13:21:20 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> sweet!

[13:23:47 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> clown: do you want me to go for it? or you want to?

[13:25:53 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> Justin_o and cindyli, I'm working on docs for the prefs framework Builder. I notice that it "is an" aux builder, but "has a" primary builder. Is there a particular reason why the two were implemented differently? e.g. why is the aux builder not a subcomponent, or why is the primary builder not a grade?

[13:25:54 CDT(-0500)] <clown> Let me, jhernandez.

[13:26:54 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> clown: thank you!

[13:27:10 CDT(-0500)] <clown> what I would do for the test is: 1. search('tuxguitar'), 2. check the return value, 3. run install, 4. search and see that the 'data' field shows that it's installed, 5. run remove, 6. search and see that the data field now says available.

[13:27:13 CDT(-0500)] <clown> how does that sound?

[13:27:30 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - won't it be great when renderer component trees are abolished

[13:27:35 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> clown: sounds great

[13:27:52 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> :]

[13:27:53 CDT(-0500)] <clown> jhernandez: is there anything like "assert()" for testing in this case?

[13:28:10 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> yup

[13:28:13 CDT(-0500)] <clown> maybe I should look at other test examples.

[13:28:15 CDT(-0500)] * jhernandez looks

[13:29:12 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: yes.. it will be

[13:30:08 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> clown: in GPII, we use tests like this one -> https://github.com/javihernandez/linux/blob/packagekitBridge/node_modules/gsettingsBridge/tests/gsettingsTests.js

[13:30:23 CDT(-0500)] <clown> jhernandez: thanks, one other question...

[13:31:01 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> another example: https://github.com/javihernandez/linux/blob/packagekitBridge/node_modules/orca/test/orcaSettingsHandlerTests.js

[13:31:02 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: i'm trying to remember, perhaps cindyli will recall, but i believe that the primaryBuilder is a subcomponent because of some issues with grade merging

[13:31:24 CDT(-0500)] <clown> when tuxguitar is installed on fedora, the data property is "installed:fedora". Is it "installed:opensuse" for you?

[13:31:31 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> but take into account that we're testing specific GPII functionalities and the payloads around

[13:31:43 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> let me check

[13:31:44 CDT(-0500)] <clown> that is, is it always "installed:<something>"

[13:31:47 CDT(-0500)] <clown> ?

[13:32:52 CDT(-0500)] <clown> also: time lines: I'm chairing a teleconfernce in half an hour, for an hour. I won't really start this until later today, early tomorrow. Is that okay?

[13:33:59 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> okay

[13:34:00 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> np

[13:34:04 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> and ...

[13:34:16 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> yes, I think that "installed" is something generic

[13:34:41 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> still installing tuxguitar ...

[13:34:49 CDT(-0500)] <clown> cool. I was looking for something to compare against that would appear on all platforms.

[13:35:09 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> (or maybe just stalled?)

[13:35:13 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> anastasiac, Justin_o, unfortunately, i don't rmb too

[13:35:17 CDT(-0500)] <clown> yes, it took me about 2 minutes to install tuxgutiar here. This will require a "timeout" between installing and removing.

[13:35:38 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> ok, Justin_o and cindyli, thanks for trying to remember

[13:35:47 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> sorry

[13:35:53 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> defintely we need a status callback function and log what is coming from packagekit

[13:36:15 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> ok

[13:36:18 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> clown:

[13:36:22 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> before

[13:36:24 CDT(-0500)] <clown> yes?

[13:36:27 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> {

[13:36:27 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> "id": "tuxguitar;1.2-10.1.1;i586;repo-12.3-oss",

[13:36:27 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> "name": "tuxguitar",

[13:36:27 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> "version": "1.2-10.1.1",

[13:36:27 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> "data": "repo-12.3-oss"

[13:36:29 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> }

[13:36:32 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> after

[13:36:43 CDT(-0500)]

[13:37:14 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> you can just look for the word 'installed' on data

[13:37:29 CDT(-0500)] <clown> right. That's what I was hoping, jhernandez.

[13:37:43 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> nice!

[13:37:48 CDT(-0500)] <clown> Ok. I have to run now and get things set up for my telecon, jhernandez.

[13:37:56 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> go for it

[13:37:57 CDT(-0500)] <clown> Talk to you later, and thanks for all the help.

[13:38:00 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> and thank you!

[13:38:08 CDT(-0500)] <clown> my pleasure.

[13:38:15 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez> all mine

[13:38:16 CDT(-0500)] <jhernandez>

[13:38:20 CDT(-0500)] <clown> lol

[13:51:46 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Justin_o - unfortunately my implementation of the new model relay system isn't ready yet

[13:51:58 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Do you still want us to talk about it at tomorrow's COMUNITY METING?

[13:52:08 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I guess I know enough about it to describe how it will work ....

[13:52:13 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: i think that was for next weeks anyways.. so you still have time

[13:52:30 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Really? I thought we had said Oct 2

[13:52:33 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> What is tomorrow's about?

[13:52:35 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Community+workshops

[13:52:38 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Thanks

[13:52:52 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: we can change the topic though, if you'd like to talk about that tomorrow

[13:53:08 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> No, next week works fine

[13:53:09 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> or anastasiac might want to do more documentation

[13:53:13 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: okay.. cool

[14:04:02 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon, anastasiac: do we have any docs with the fully hydrated component trees still

[14:04:39 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> hm...

[14:04:42 CDT(-0500)] * anastasiac searches

[14:05:13 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> we have this page, Justin_o: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/docs/ProtoComponent+Types

[14:05:20 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> is that what you're looking for?

[14:06:23 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: not really sorry.. i want the old style.. before protocomponents

[14:06:30 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> ah

[14:06:31 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> hm

[14:06:58 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: do you know in the old style are children the only point of nesting where the nested object would have an ID and valuebinding

[14:07:22 CDT(-0500)] <anastasiac> how about this, Justin_o? http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/Infusion13/Renderer+Component+Trees

[14:07:46 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/Infusion13/Fluid+Renderer+-+Background

[14:07:51 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> This page also describes them

[14:07:58 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> yes, "children" is the only route for nesting components

[14:09:32 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: thanks

[14:14:08 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> Bosmon: in IoC testing system, can I pass an argument list to an event listener? for example,

[14:14:10 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> sequence: [{

[14:14:10 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> listener: "fluid.tests.checkTopComponents",

[14:14:10 CDT(-0500)]

[14:14:10 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> }]

[14:14:52 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> i tried to pass an "args" option but doesn't work

[14:15:38 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> cindyli - "doesn't work" is the classic terrible problem report

[14:15:48 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> haha

[14:15:53 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> You can see some examples of "args" in the "TestingTest.js" test cases

[14:16:03 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> What kind of "doesn't work" did you experience?

[14:16:31 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I guess there isn't an example of "args" with "listener" ....

[14:16:38 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> i did, the test cases with "args" are all for modelChanged type of listener, not any for event listeners

[14:17:12 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> well, modelChanged is an event too i guess, but perhaps being processed differently

[14:17:31 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I see

[14:17:36 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Actually, what would you want "args" to do in this case?

[14:17:43 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I guess some boiling

[14:17:48 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> exactly

[14:18:01 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> What in particular do you want to boil into the signature?

[14:18:06 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> and "expectedResult", "testType"

[14:18:20 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> aha

[14:18:29 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes, it seems this isn't implemented

[14:18:33 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Would you like to implement it? : P

[14:18:54 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> sure

[14:19:35 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I'll be happy to review your pull

[14:19:35 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> a bit scary to modify framework code but you will review it anyway

[14:19:54 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well, I think it's time for people to stop being scared

[14:20:04 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> will give a try

[14:20:30 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> It should only take an "if" statement and a call to fluid.expandOptions...

[14:20:41 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Actually my latest pull request with declarative change binding contains a good example of how to do this

[14:20:50 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> The current framework code for event boiling is very convoluted

[14:20:50 CDT(-0500)] <cindyli> ah ha

[14:20:57 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But the change binding pull takes a much more direct approach

[16:01:44 CDT(-0500)] <yzen_> Bosmon: hi