Meeting with Cataki August 8, 2019

• Following up from last time - last time we said we’d do some co-design sessions, we sent you some material - thoughts?
• Henrique - time is sensitive, we really need to do it now
• We’re working on the next version
• Some new features - possibility of payment for waste collectors through digital banking 
• Main issue - we need to talk to the waste collectors, they’re so used to getting money in their hands
• Co-design group regarding the waste collectors, its mandatory to make it happen as soon as possible - crucial part of the app, we’re already designing and working on
• We have a completely new version of the app to talk to the users to make sure they have a better user experience
• We are ready to make it happen
• Henrique’s update
• Making a lot of partnerships with Coca Cola, Nestea
• We have also been focusing on the big generators - condo, bars and restaurants, and other major companies that are not our usual user - but can represent a good source of material, new way of generating revenue
• We’ve won the Shiva’s grant - great income for us, use that to get a new version of the app - better UX, including digital payment (ASAP!), and restorability of the material (?)  - need data of the material 
• New version is hoping on these 2 things - making sure we can allow payment, restorability of the material
• We also need to make sure the waste collectors are very well trained in order to start collecting on companies, bars, restaurants - we need to make sure we find ways of training them and making them able to work with companies, in places that are different than sao paolo - we need to find ways of long distance training, through videos, things like that
• Have catadores work on a more professional basis to get into bigger projects and make more money
• That’s why the co-design process is so important - talking to the catadores, and the users
• Technical support of getting this long distance training going
• Getting support on the best way of method of digital payment - so many options for digital payment - we are lost in so many options
• I hear in SA, apps allow payments without banks - we’re trying to do research into these
• Dana - you know the catadores, what co-design looks like. What we need to understand is… you have the app, you are in the process of updating the app?
• Yes, a big update - we’re going to introduce very heavy stuff and very new features - ex. We need to know the weight of the material is being dealt or sold thru the app - info the industry needs about the app - dont have it today, must have in the next version
• In Brazil, if you don’t give some kind of incentive in their homes - they don’t do the separation of the material - they’re lazy, we don’t have enough laws to make them do it, we don’t have the culture of separating material
• Maybe discount or stars to those who separate materials
• Dana - the co-design we would do would fit into the new design, the update? Yes
• Digital payment
• Need to figure out partner, there’s so many options
• More open ended, exploring what features and functionalities catadores will want in the system
• Data gathering / materials tracking
• Helps establish Cataki in the market, this is what the partners need
• Who will be using this most? Who are the users?
• We need this information, basically
• We’ve been discussing with companies, they need to understand the answers to the material waste they haven’t been able to get back - reverse logistics
• They need to get back as much as they can of the material they put on the market
• Talking to the waste collectors in Brazil, an important route to get this back
• If they’re going to invest in us, they need to get back material
• Right now catadores take everything to the junkyard

• How much tonnes of materials they got back - especially plastic bottles - bottles also need to go back to be recycled

• Waste collector gets paid based on what he brings back
• IF we make them sort the material, it might slow them down - where it might make sense is when they sell the material in the junkyards
• Collection centre already does separation of material 
• But that information is lost
• Collection centre - we have close connections with them
• We tried to get cooperativas to be a part of autonomous collectors
• Group association of cataki
• We try to get them to receive material from the autonomous collectors
• They function as a buyer of the material as well
• They are the other source where the catadores to sell the material
• Might need 2 different sessions for these 2 different pieces
• Catadores and what they want
• Or together?
• Henrique discuss this with Luis and Mundano
• But we think - we need to have a group of waste collectors, able to have them feel free to discuss issues with buyers
• But at another point, we need to get them together
• We need some time alone with the collectors
• Training
• How much of this is already designed? Who’s designing and developing it?
• Not designed yet
• There’s a few ways we can do it - sessions in different locations, etc. Do you think its possible to do it in a few different locations?
• Yes, exactly, I discussed that a lot with Mundano and Luis
• Renato - focus on technology and making sure the app runs ok
• It’s best for us to have the collectors here in our office, but also have an open platform for catadores all over brazil to join it - the right amount of people in the session, working on the co-design process
• We found someone who does the co-design process and is used to doing it - partner of ours
• Might be from google?
• We’ve been working on the process, now we’re ready to set a date and do it
• Old and new users who can make a good panel
• Input from co-design will help Renato make decisions and build tech
• We need to get Cataki to the place where we can deliver on data and expectations
• Need to assure our place in the market
• Timing
• What’s the timing for updating the app?
• We want to update it in different stages
• We want to have the first part of the new version in 30-40 days
• Then another 30 days, we’ll have the 2nd part
• We’ll have it completely done in a 3-month period
• But the first good change, the first real change, we pretend to have in 30-40 days
• Which should include… new designs
• They have in house designers and developers
• Might also deal with outside resources for technology
• But the vision is - sooner or later, we’ll have to have in house developers and designers
• Prioritization - what do you want to do first?
• To see our app more holistically, I can send you a doc of what functionalities we want to have in a few months
• We did prioritize - first version, etc
• Henrique can share that with us

• Henrique can do this today

• Dana - when you do have someone identified who is identified to facilitate, connect us

Actionables

• Henrique to send prioritization sheet
• Henrique to connect us with facilitator
• Henrique to look over the co-design activities, give us feedback on what works or doesn’t specifically to your context
• Timing - week after next (week of the 19th) - it would be great to have it in August