fluid-work IRC Logs-2009-02-19

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[09:31:13 EST(-0500)] * Topic is 'Infusion 0.8 Release Day!' set by anastasiac on 2009-02-19 09:31:13 EST(-0500)
[09:32:31 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Jusin_o, are you working on FLUID-2249 now?
[09:32:46 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> yes... should have marked it as in progress eh
[09:32:49 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac>
[09:35:39 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Justin_o: the "Demo Sakai site" link on the build page links to a running instance of Sakai that used to include the image reorderer, but no longer does
[09:35:49 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> would you agree that there isn't much use for that demo site now?
[09:36:18 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> I would agree
[09:36:22 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ugh, wait...
[09:36:33 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Could you try that site, and see if it works for you?
[09:36:37 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> sure
[09:36:40 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> it didn't for me until I enable firebug...
[09:36:47 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> which is weird
[09:37:34 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> some of the galleries work and some don't
[09:37:59 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> I think this has been a problem for a while
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[09:48:57 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> sorry, Justin_o, I was distracted by laurelw...
[09:49:03 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> some galleries work, some not
[09:49:09 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> that's not a good thing
[09:49:46 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> nope... i'm not really sure why any them work.. they are all getting the same error
[09:50:08 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I get them working sometimes, and sometimes not - probably a timing issue
[09:50:25 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> did you get the error?
[09:50:39 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> "fluid.lightbox" is not a function
[09:50:44 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> yes
[09:50:50 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i think it is somewhat out of date
[09:50:56 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> indeed
[09:51:12 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ok, I'll remove the link to the site, since it's not a very good sample
[09:51:21 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> yes... i think so
[09:52:01 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> thanks
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[10:00:31 EST(-0500)] <athena7> do you guys have a sense for how big the Fluid-all.js file is likely to be?
[10:00:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> athena7: Let me build it and see.
[10:00:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[10:00:53 EST(-0500)] <athena7> oh, thanks!
[10:01:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Inevitably it will be far too huge for our taste, but we'll address that in Infusion 1.0.
[10:01:14 EST(-0500)] <athena7> ah, cool
[10:01:29 EST(-0500)] <athena7> we've been discussing including all of fluid in uportal by default
[10:01:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> athena7: Cool
[10:02:26 EST(-0500)] <athena7> i may need some help figuring out how to build a file with all the fluid files in the right order, but without jquery or jqueryui
[10:02:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> athena7: Cool. I think you should be able to do it by just modifying our build properties file
[10:03:00 EST(-0500)] <athena7> oh!
[10:03:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Let me build it, see how big it is, and then take a look at that.
[10:03:05 EST(-0500)] <athena7> i'll have to take a look at that
[10:03:10 EST(-0500)] <athena7> that sounds like an excellent idea
[10:03:16 EST(-0500)] <athena7> thanks for the help colin
[10:03:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> if you check out components trunk, you'll see the build-script directory
[10:03:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> there should be a property in build.properties for the file order
[10:03:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> just take out the files you don't want, and you should be cool
[10:03:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/components/trunk/build-scripts/build.properties
[10:04:40 EST(-0500)] <athena7> sounds perfect - thanks
[10:07:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> athena7: Eek. With everything, minified, we're 332 Kb.
[10:09:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Something interesting is happening in our minification process.
[10:09:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The license block at the top of jquery-1.3.1.js isn't getting removed.
[10:09:39 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> interesting...
[10:09:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> If you have any spare cycles, that'd be an interesting one to suss out.
[10:09:53 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> do the comments have some special mark that the minifier is processing specially?
[10:10:07 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> maybe it's a secret command to the minifier
[10:10:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Doesn't look like it.
[10:14:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: For the record, I have started on the Uploader API documentation.
[10:15:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Have made a fair number of changes to the copy, and then I'll compare it with the source code for accuracy.
[10:15:26 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark, yes, thanks - I saw that the JIRA is in progress
[10:15:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess this is one case where generated API docs are helpful.
[10:15:56 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> I remember when 200k was considered "large", for the jar of a JAVER APPLET
[10:16:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmo1: yes
[10:16:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We are really going to have to put some cycles into this build script asap.
[10:16:19 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, I've made some styling changes to http://build.fluidproject.org/ - could you have a look, give me your opinion
[10:16:20 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ?
[10:16:35 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: sure
[10:17:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmo1: I still need to find a committer who is interested and able to work with Simon to get the new build system really rocking.
[10:17:27 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Yes
[10:17:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> This is something I imagine Justin_o would be pretty good at, but I think his plate is already pretty full.
[10:18:22 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> If only I could nominate my CATT as a committer
[10:18:26 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> I think he knows a little FORTRAN
[10:18:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[10:18:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Well, you can always nominate him...
[10:18:43 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> ha
[10:18:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> the question is if we'll give him a +1.
[10:18:50 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> I will ask him if he has any spare cycles
[10:18:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I mean, I vote +1 for CATT's cuteness.
[10:19:23 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: looks good... a couple of things... the font is a little small... also I'm assuming you are doing two sections both with two columns... the second column of Specific Components Examples looks a bit like it is under the Functional Examples
[10:19:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Which reminds me, there is a vote for a human committer up on the committers list right now.
[10:19:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Don't forget to respond.
[10:19:35 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> oh, yes
[10:19:39 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> A committer, in human form
[10:38:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I'm changing the structure of the Uploader API docs slightly.
[10:38:09 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> excellent!
[10:38:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Many of its events pass around a File object, and there are a few interesting notes about it.
[10:38:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Previously, this information was in the "Parameter Notes" column for the first event that uses a File object.
[10:39:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And then each subsequent event said something to the effect of "file [object]: see afterFileQueued above"
[10:39:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I've now created a separate section for the File object, which describes its properties and a bit about how it works
[10:39:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And I'll like to that within the event table
[10:39:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Does that make sense to you?
[10:40:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I haven't finished it yet, but you can see my start here: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Uploader+API
[10:40:33 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> k, I'll have a look
[10:40:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> That should have read "And I'll link to that within the event table."
[10:42:50 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, colinclark, this looks good - much bette
[10:42:52 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> better
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[11:15:38 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: morning
[11:15:46 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> saw your email about wanting to help
[11:15:46 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ecochran: hello
[11:15:54 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'll have some work for you pretty soon
[11:15:59 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay... thanks...
[11:16:19 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'm going to close FLUID-2233, since we should be done with code clean up at this time
[11:16:24 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Any objections?
[11:16:29 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: ^
[11:17:03 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> let me double check it
[11:17:31 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> thx
[11:17:39 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> nope... anastasiac do you have any objections?
[11:17:59 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> nope = no objections from me
[11:18:07 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> nope
[11:26:01 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: We still have some blocker tasks for release 0.8 (aside from the release tasks themselves).
[11:26:19 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ah - what are they?
[11:26:29 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> FLUID-1794
[11:26:36 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Document subcomponents and decorators
[11:26:51 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> FLUID-1117 Document undo functionality (API and tutorials)
[11:27:02 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> FLUID-900 Document the Client-side Renderer
[11:27:15 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ah, right
[11:27:17 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> FLUID-2226 Tech. review of Pager documents
[11:27:26 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> some of these are in progress
[11:27:30 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> some will have to be punted
[11:27:33 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> OK, this is silly
[11:27:33 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+0.8+Release+Status#Fluid0.8ReleaseStatus-Fluid0.8RemainingTasksbeforeRelease
[11:27:40 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yes
[11:27:45 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> shall we review them
[11:27:59 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'll ping colin on the Uploader docs
[11:28:02 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, that's part of the process: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Release+Process#ReleaseProcess-UpdateJIRA
[11:28:15 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark is already on the uploader docs
[11:28:16 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yep
[11:28:33 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yeah, I know. I just wanted to know what the status is
[11:28:42 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> so who should review?
[11:28:51 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> do you want me to go through the blockers, and ping appropriate people, and decide whether or not to punt?
[11:29:27 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran ^
[11:29:50 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: that would be great, there are a number which are unassigned
[11:29:55 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> usually, it's the final call of someone relatively responsible for the particular task, or Justin_o, etc.
[11:29:59 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I can coordinate that
[11:30:48 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I'm also going through the list, but to cull Known Issues, etc for the ReadMe
[11:31:00 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> k
[11:31:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: You asked about Uploader documentation.
[11:31:19 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: I did
[11:31:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm midway through reworking the API documentation. Next up is comparing the API with the code to make sure we're up to date.
[11:31:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Then on to the tutorial.
[11:31:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm working on it as we speak.
[11:31:42 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: sounds good
[11:31:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Check the channel logs for the convo anastasiac and I had earlier today about what I am up to.
[11:32:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> will get it done asap
[11:32:24 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: we'll ignore the JIRA's blocker status for now
[11:32:31 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> thx
[11:47:01 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: Do you know if we're going to upgrade the status of UIOptions from "Sneak Peek" to "Preview"?
[11:47:21 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> or maybe those aren't "official" statii
[11:47:31 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> but that's how it's termed in the ReadMe
[11:47:38 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'd say yes to "preview", but fj4000 could also comment
[11:48:19 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> and fj4000, would you still consider the FSS to be "Preview"?
[11:48:21 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> I think its a preview too, but Im not sure how Michelle felt about it
[11:48:29 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> FSS or UI Options?
[11:48:30 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> or both?
[11:48:34 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> both
[11:49:00 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> actually FSS is currently "Preview" but I wanted to check if that was how you saw it
[11:49:05 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> I think Michelle was hesitant about certain features, but does that mean its ok to be a preview?
[11:49:15 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I think so
[11:49:58 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> then I would say both are in preview mode - if anything FSS is a little more battle-hardened now that its being used and tested more
[11:50:07 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> fj4000, anastasiac, and all : after going through the JIRAs, we have very few Critical JIRAs in this release
[11:50:27 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> The Known Issues section of the ReadMe is much smaller than 07
[11:50:52 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> thats awesome
[11:50:54 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> fj4000: Do we want to "upgrade" the status of the FSS since it is being used
[11:50:55 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> that's good to hear, ecochran!
[11:51:09 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> ecochran - lets keep UI Options and FSS in sync
[11:51:22 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> if UI Options is still preview, so be it for the FSS stuff too
[11:51:39 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: do you know of any new third party code in 0.8... I couldn't think of anything and nothing jumped out in my review
[11:51:49 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> fj4000: Done. Thanks.
[11:52:28 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> hm...
[11:52:42 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> oh, we don't mention TinyMCE
[11:52:52 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> In the Readme
[11:54:00 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> right - tinymce and fckedit
[11:54:06 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> they've been there since 0.6 actually
[11:54:19 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> they're sample integrations, not actually part of Infusion
[11:54:24 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> but we are including them in the bundle
[11:54:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Just catching up here...
[11:54:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The distinction between "sneak peek" and "preview" has never been formalized
[11:54:55 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I don't see the code for FCKedit
[11:55:01 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> FCKEdit is in there
[11:55:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I suppose there's a subtle distinction between "we're just getting started" and "we're not quite ready, but there's lots here."
[11:55:10 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Unfortunately, in "manual tests"
[11:55:14 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> As a result of our agreement....
[11:55:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Anyway, UI Options is undoubtedly a Preview component at the moment.
[11:55:26 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Personally, I "see no problem" with rich text inline edit
[11:55:37 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> OK, thanks
[11:55:44 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> But I am informed that it cannot be considered a workable component because it was "never designed"
[11:55:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The FSS, on the other hand, I think is ready to be considered a full-fledged member of Infusion.
[11:55:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: That is correct.
[11:56:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It's a working, reasonable starting point.
[11:56:16 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well, what are our options from here?
[11:56:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But it's only fair to make sure that our components go through a design review process.
[11:56:20 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> To "design it"?
[11:56:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Before they are promoted to full-fledge citizens.
[11:56:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: It's on the roadmap for the design team over the next few weeks, in time for Infusion 1.0
[11:56:44 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'm going to add mentions to TinyMCE and FCKEdit to the ReadMe
[11:56:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Definitely, yes. Thanks.
[11:57:08 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: Do you want me to "upgrade" the status of the FSS, fj4000 thought not
[11:57:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: There won't be any substantial changes to the design of the component, I expect.
[11:57:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It's just a sensible checkpoint in our process: make sure designers get a chance to look at it, tweak it, really make it shine.
[11:57:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm happy to call the Dropdown and Rich Text Inline Edit flavours "Preview" at this stage.
[11:58:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I really hate the way way have to ship FCK and Tiny in our distribution, but I guess it's hard to avoid.
[11:58:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> fj4000: You around?
[11:58:23 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> of course
[11:58:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Are you uncomfortable with the notion of promoting FSS out of Preview status?
[11:58:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I think at this stage, it's going into production in uPortal 3.1, and a lot of eyes have seen it, used it, etc.
[11:58:56 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> we could, I just dont know if breaking step with UI Options is good
[11:59:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> fj4000: I think in this case it is.
[11:59:04 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark and anastasiac: Um, I don't see the LGPL license in the code repository for TinyMCE
[11:59:16 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I see the GPL licence
[11:59:25 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> colinclark - then I have no problem with it
[11:59:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[11:59:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Let's promote FSS.
[11:59:38 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I see, the A-team
[11:59:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The A-team?
[11:59:50 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> fj4000, was a skin ever created for Uploader? (http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-1436)
[11:59:57 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> not yet
[12:00:03 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> nor pager
[12:00:10 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> k, I'll update the JIRAs
[12:00:14 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> fj4000: consider yourself upgraded! I should have baked you a cake
[12:00:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/components/trunk/src/webapp/tests/fluid-tests/manual/inline-edit/fckeditor/license.txt
[12:00:24 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> the cake is a lie!
[12:00:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Is this what you were asking about?
[12:00:43 EST(-0500)] * fj4000 hopes other people have played Prtal
[12:00:47 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> *Portal
[12:00:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: A-team?
[12:01:01 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It was a song...
[12:01:04 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Probably before your time
[12:01:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[12:01:15 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> You know, like in the 80s...
[12:01:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[12:01:24 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I thought you meant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_A-Team
[12:01:29 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> Bosmon is really Mr. T
[12:01:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i was vaguely aware of most of the eighties
[12:01:33 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: that works for FCK but does it work for TinyMCE
[12:01:34 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> ?
[12:01:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i certainly remember Mr. T
[12:01:51 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well, this wasn't actually the A-Team... but in fact, a song, in which the A-Team was mentioned
[12:01:54 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> we have a separate GPL license in the jquery folder right now
[12:01:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Here's Tiny's license file: https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/components/trunk/src/webapp/tests/fluid-tests/manual/inline-edit/tiny_mce/license.txt
[12:02:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: We redistribute the license provided by the third party.
[12:02:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So jQuery has separate files for their MIT and GPL licenses. We leave them as-is.
[12:02:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Even though, for the purposes of compatibility with Infusion, we are actually choosing the MIT license.
[12:03:11 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: OK, great
[12:03:22 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> stuff I never paid attention to before
[12:03:29 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> fj4000, has http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-1872 been considered, completed, rejected, other?
[12:03:49 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> its related to another jira
[12:03:54 EST(-0500)] * fj4000 is jira hunting
[12:05:33 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> nope - that was the jira I was thinking of....colinclark and I talked further about this, but no concrete decisions have been made
[12:05:51 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> i would like to see this change, but we should just make a decision either way
[12:06:25 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ok, could you update the JIRA to fixfor 1.0, affects 0.8?
[12:07:09 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> done
[12:07:48 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: where you OK with closing FLUID-2233?
[12:08:44 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> yep
[12:08:45 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i am
[12:08:52 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> thx
[12:09:06 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> np
[12:09:59 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, should we update http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-1405 to fixfor 1.0?
[12:10:23 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> yes... i'll do that
[12:10:35 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark, Justin_o : I've updated the main ReadMe.txt file for 0.8, could you review
[12:10:36 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/components/trunk/README.txt
[12:10:37 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, how's FLUID-2226 going?
[12:10:50 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, thanks
[12:12:03 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I have some more work to do on it, which I will do now
[12:12:22 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ecochran: there's a couple things that i spotted right away in the "What's New in 0.8" section
[12:12:30 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> 1) jUnit should be qUnit
[12:12:41 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> 2) is FSS still in preview?
[12:12:45 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> thx
[12:12:56 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> oops, meant to go back to those. OK, I take it back
[12:14:05 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> anastasiac: Just going over your list of "punting JIRAs"
[12:14:21 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I brought up FLUID-1825 a few times, but it was decided that it was too close to code freeze to address it
[12:14:48 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> FLUID-1955, I have no real idea about
[12:14:56 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> although I think it was really dependent on Everett doing some experimentation
[12:15:05 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: fixed
[12:15:31 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> thanks... i'll refresh the page finish reading the file
[12:15:32 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> FLUID-1141 was also something discussed at length over the release.... particularly between fj4000 and me
[12:15:51 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> In the end, we decided that it might be helpful, but there was not really a single compelling use case for trying it
[12:16:28 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Especially since it couldn't really help with FLUID-398, which has since been resolved in a different way
[12:17:01 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> fj4000: Was it you who made the CSS/markup fix that made the numbering not appear in the avatar for FLUID-398?
[12:17:10 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I don't see any comment in the JIRA about when it might have happened...
[12:17:24 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> But some time between 0.6 and 0.7, it "mysteriously started working"...
[12:17:50 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> let me check
[12:17:56 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Or maybe I just got confused
[12:18:07 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> And the "improvement" was purely a result of FLUID-1141 in the first place...
[12:18:49 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> Bosmon: i dont think I worked on any of this
[12:19:45 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ecochran: you may want to add some of these to the known issues for UI Options (FLUID-2258, FLUID-2261, FLUID-2260) they are browser specific issues though
[12:20:46 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: I'll look at those... I was treating the browser specific bugs a little less critically, but you're right. We've called them out in the past and should probably be included.
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[12:23:23 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: We still have upgrading instructions from 0.6 in the Uploader ReadMe. Do you think that we should continue to include those?
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[12:27:37 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, sorry for not responding, I was on a call. Could you update those JIRAs wrt the 'fixfor' version?
[12:29:39 EST(-0500)] <jessm> anastasiac: ping
[12:29:52 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> jessm: pong
[12:30:34 EST(-0500)] <jessm> anastasiac: looking at the 0.8 readme – and i'm wondering how "helpful" i should be and if there is a process I should follow (e.g. email the list with a revised copy)
[12:30:46 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> fj4000: could you come up with a very short description of FLUID-2258 for the Read Me. The current description in the JIRA is a bit of headscratcher
[12:31:17 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> jessm (and ecochran): we don't have an official process for writing the readme.
[12:31:35 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> in the past, I've drafted it and run it past colinclark and maybe jessm for review
[12:31:43 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> usually via email, or just verbally
[12:32:04 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'm not sure if anyone has thoughts on a better way?
[12:32:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> just catching up
[12:32:19 EST(-0500)] <jessm> anastasiac: i have new eyes looking at this one for no other reason than that I was pinged about it in a different way this time
[12:32:34 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> it's always good to get new eyes!!
[12:32:45 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'd love a new pair, mine are terribly weak
[12:32:47 EST(-0500)] * jessm puts new eyes on
[12:35:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: I'm just going to take a look at the readme to see what it says about upgrading the uploader. one sec.
[12:36:03 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: it's the Uploader Readme
[12:36:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: As for readme contributions, I think you've got it. Take it to the list, just like we did with VULab's readme yesterday.
[12:36:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> That was pretty useful, I think.
[12:36:49 EST(-0500)] * jessm takin' it to the list
[12:36:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: We'll pair you up with a committer who will get your changes back into the repository.
[12:37:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Okay, taking a look now.
[12:37:07 EST(-0500)] <jessm> tee hee
[12:38:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: I think we should leave it in, just updating the reference to 0.7.
[12:38:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It's worth reminding people for a couple of releases that the API has changed.
[12:38:58 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: good, that was my gut reaction too, it's just funny to be staring at it all these releases
[12:39:05 EST(-0500)] <jessm> source code bundle is just that, source code, no minification and no war file, right?
[12:39:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: We could rephrase it a bit. Want me to try to take a stab at it?
[12:39:29 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: sure
[12:39:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: Yep.
[12:39:49 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I have not made any other edits to that file
[12:39:52 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: ^
[12:40:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Ok, I'll see what I can do. Then back to the doco.
[12:40:29 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: great!
[12:43:18 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: I have new text for the second "known issue" for the Uploader, shall I check that in?
[12:43:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: I'm just about finished here. I doubt we'd conflict, but gimme another 30 seconds
[12:43:43 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> cool
[12:44:37 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Jim ENG was asking me last night whether we would have a distribution that worked over Maven....
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[12:47:58 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: are the renderer docs linked to on the User Manual page?
[12:48:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: What ticket should I commit this under?
[12:48:27 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, no - Most of the renderer docs are draft...
[12:48:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: We do ship Maven 2 POM files, so we're fully compatible with Maven.
[12:48:37 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ah i see
[12:48:38 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Perhas the main page might be appropriate, but others are not
[12:48:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We just haven't set up a public Maven repo containing Infusion.
[12:48:52 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: 'hmm, let's put it under the ReadMe ticket FLUID-2235
[12:48:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: k, thanks
[12:49:03 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: brb
[12:49:11 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: thanks for the info
[12:49:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: Was there anything else he was interested in?
[12:50:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Uploader README changes are in. Let me know what you think, and feel free to tweak.
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[13:01:19 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: I'm back
[13:01:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: just in time for standup
[13:02:18 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yep
[13:16:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and now back to the release action
[13:18:52 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: http://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/components/trunk/src/webapp/fluid-components/js/fluid/uploader/ReadMe.txt
[13:19:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Okay, Ihave a mickey mouse Confluence question for you.
[13:19:24 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: second bullet point under Known Issues
[13:19:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: cool, will look
[13:19:45 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: thx
[13:20:06 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac puts on big black ears
[13:20:11 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: small typo "button" not "buttons"
[13:20:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Looks good
[13:20:55 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: thanks
[13:20:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So nice to be able to remove that bullet about IE requiring flash 10
[13:21:08 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: very much so!
[13:21:46 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark: what's your confluence question?
[13:21:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Okay, so.
[13:21:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I want to create an anchor.
[13:22:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I used to know this...
[13:22:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Uploader+API
[13:22:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> You see the File Objects header
[13:22:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I want to make that linkable.
[13:22:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> oh, wait
[13:22:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> does the toc do that for us automatically?
[13:22:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Uploader+API#UploaderAPI-FileObjects
[13:22:50 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> toc automatically creates anchors to headings
[13:22:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> wow
[13:22:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok, see, i told you it was mickey mouse
[13:22:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> thanks
[13:23:04 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac>
[13:23:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> everything is so easy with your pages
[13:23:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> hey, you should take this opportunity to brag
[13:23:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> re: the adobe guy
[13:23:43 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> right! someone from adobe emailed me asking if he could use my tutorial template
[13:23:56 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> he's putting together resources for his team, and wanted to add it to the list
[13:24:02 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: congrats!
[13:24:10 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac pats herself on the head
[13:24:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> super awesome
[13:24:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: Did you hear that? ^
[13:25:01 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Will "index.php" be gone from our new website URL structure?
[13:25:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: So how do I link to this anchor without using an absolute URL?
[13:25:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: That would be so nice.
[13:25:33 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark, you use a # notation
[13:25:46 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> are you linking from another page? or same page?
[13:25:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> from the same page
[13:26:07 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> then just "#FileObjects" should work
[13:26:10 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Who is of central responsibility for our website URLs?
[13:26:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: So far it's still there. I believe there's a way to address it in our content management system. Not something for this week, but we'll put it on the list.
[13:26:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmon: It's the CMS we use, "CMS Made Simple"
[13:26:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: thx
[13:27:26 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> np
[13:28:04 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It seems something that they are not very free of even on their own site
[13:28:16 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Perhaps sometimes things can be made too simple :
[13:28:31 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> LOL
[13:28:51 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Their entire forum, for example, is under "index.php"...
[13:36:29 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> anastasiac: I think I am done with a "first draft" of pager API now
[13:36:39 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I can't see any glaring omissions, but I may have forgotten something
[13:36:42 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, could you double check some bugs for me?
[13:36:56 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> confirm if they're still bugs, and if so, update JIRAs affects and fix versions?
[13:37:03 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> The list is: 1050, 2031, 2032, 2052
[13:37:08 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I've looked over the Pager Tutorial, and, whilst it doesn't really represent any of the new functionality, I think what it says hasn't changed since the last release
[13:37:25 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Bosmon, thanks for checking
[13:37:36 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> my main concern is technical correctness and completeness
[13:37:48 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> so if they're right and complete, then we're good to go
[13:37:53 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> we can refine them more later
[13:38:06 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I will need to make some additions to the renderer docs
[13:38:09 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Which I should do this evening
[13:38:27 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> which pages to do you expect to edit, Bosmon?
[13:38:38 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I am Bosmon
[13:38:52 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+Renderer
[13:38:55 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I guess I will edit this one
[13:39:08 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ok, cool, thanks
[13:39:21 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: sorry i missed your message.. i'll look at them now
[13:39:25 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I've started some other pages, but they're not ready for publicity yet, and not worth you updating
[13:39:36 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'll update them if necessary, based on any changes you make
[13:39:38 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Renderer
[13:39:39 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, thanks
[13:39:44 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I see you have been at work on this one
[13:39:52 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, Bosmon - don't worry about that yet
[13:39:56 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> it's just a placeholder
[13:40:00 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'll be fixing it up
[13:40:03 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> We should coordinate on whether we are going to call things "UIBound" or "Bound" etc, to avoid confusing people
[13:40:12 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, we should
[13:40:36 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> The "UI" prefix is kind of twee and historical, but I thought it still had a useful function in visually highlighting that "all of these things are part of the same set"
[13:40:49 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> It may on the othe rhand, confuse people more than it adds clarity
[13:41:37 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> we need some 'user testing' of the documents
[13:41:56 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'll ask FEES when she's back, she's relatively new to the Renderer
[13:43:42 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes, that rendering FEES
[13:44:43 EST(-0500)] * colinclark thinks documentation is awesome.
[13:44:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> this is really fun
[13:45:18 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark: writing docs is fun?
[13:45:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: yes, totally
[13:45:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> kind of an essential task for any api author
[13:45:37 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac has found someone who likes to write docs..
[13:45:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> go back and make sure it's sane
[13:45:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i, for example, and writing about an api that feels a bit insane
[13:45:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[13:46:00 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes!
[13:46:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> something we will deprecate for 1.0
[13:46:19 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> when you think about what the instructions to a user are, insane APIs become very apparent
[13:47:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yep
[13:48:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: When you're documenting options and the like, do you find yourself cutting and pasting the defaults bundle into the wiki and then editing the table based on that?
[13:48:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I could sort of imagine autogenerating that table with a bit of code smarts.
[13:48:32 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, sort of
[13:48:45 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, well, ALL of the api docs will soon be auto-generated
[13:48:59 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2268
[13:50:41 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: I have taken care of these 1050, 2031, 2032, 2052
[13:50:52 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> any more you'd like me to look at?
[13:50:54 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, thankee, sai
[13:50:58 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I think that's good
[13:51:00 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'll let you know
[13:51:03 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay
[13:51:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac, ecochran: I'm making good progress on Uploader API docs.
[13:51:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But I'm not finished. I'm going to get ready for this VULab meeting, attend it, and then back to the wiki after that.
[13:52:06 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: that seems fine... the only thing holding up the release right now is the ReadMe
[13:52:12 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> which is looking good to me
[13:52:27 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anyone else had a chance to look at jessm's edits?
[13:56:14 EST(-0500)] <jessm> anastasiac: fantastic_adobe_ToC_feedback – nice that they noticed how fabulous you are
[13:56:26 EST(-0500)] <jessm> Bosmon: roger that on the annoying CMS made simple page names --_ GRRRRRR
[13:56:44 EST(-0500)] <jessm> ecochran: thanks for the feedback – anyone else inclined to read the readme.txt?
[13:56:51 EST(-0500)] <jessm> i do best when double-checked
[14:00:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: I'm taking a look now
[14:01:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I maybe won't get back to you with comments until after this VULab meeting.
[14:01:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But I'm sure it's great.
[14:01:20 EST(-0500)] <jessm> colinclark: it's back to ecochran – i think he needs the feedback
[14:01:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jessm: cool
[14:01:59 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: I'd like to cut the tag so the ReadMe will be "frozen"
[14:02:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: ok
[14:02:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i'm sure it's great
[14:02:31 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: thx
[14:04:11 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran, the Readme looks great
[14:04:57 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> awesome
[14:23:07 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I think that I'm ready to generate the bundles
[14:23:19 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran, excellent!
[14:23:25 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: am I missing anything
[14:23:38 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac double-checks...
[14:24:11 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> looks good to me!
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[14:24:42 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> colinclark: Yes, it was the "getting it automatically" aspec I think that ENG was interested in
[14:25:27 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: actually I'm looking at the docs and I'm confused about the order that things are done in
[14:25:40 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ok, which docs are you looking at?
[14:25:56 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'm looking at http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Release+Process#ReleaseProcess
[14:26:36 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> and what is the confusion?
[14:26:36 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> not sure about the order of tagging and bundling
[14:26:46 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ah, good question
[14:26:51 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ok, here's what I've done in the past:
[14:27:03 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> listening
[14:27:12 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> before tagging, bundle locally, and just to some quick testing to make sure it's all ok
[14:27:24 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> if that looks good, then tag, and build the 'official' bunde from the tag
[14:27:30 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> then test that more thoroughly
[14:27:49 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> my thoughts were that there's no point in tagging if the bundle will be broken, so check first
[14:27:54 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> does that make sense?
[14:27:58 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: that makes sense
[14:28:05 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> if so, we should describe the process on the page
[14:28:17 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> it's obviously not there or not clear
[14:29:42 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yes... it's not clear since After Bug Parade is Over mentions "Generate and test release bundles" before tagging but below that the How to Tag and Package the Source Code section also talks about tagging
[14:29:51 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> sorry for the strange formatting
[14:29:58 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: ^
[14:30:13 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, it's not clear
[14:30:33 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> some of the 'instructions' on how to do something are not necessariy presented in the order in which they are carried out
[14:30:42 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I can put some effort into re-working that
[14:30:55 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: that would be helpful
[14:31:22 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: so I'm going to go ahead and create a "non-tagged" bundle.
[14:31:31 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yep, go for it
[14:31:45 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> the idea is to make sure that at least all the necessary files are there, and minified is minified
[14:31:57 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> not thorough, cross-platform testing
[14:32:02 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> just unpack and try a few demos
[14:32:23 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> sounds good
[14:34:16 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> FYI, I might not update the page quite yet - I'm on a call right now
[14:34:22 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> but keep the questions coming!
[14:34:26 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran: ^
[14:34:41 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: np
[14:52:33 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: do you find it odd the first thing in Fluid-all.js is a comment block all about jQuery... I realize that's the way that it's built but it's confusing. Perhaps a bug for 1.0
[14:52:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: yes!
[14:52:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I mentioned that earlier today
[14:52:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i believe that's actually a bug
[14:52:55 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> we should file it
[14:53:04 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: why "actually" a bug
[14:53:07 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> ?
[14:53:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Well, the minifier's job is to remove comments like these
[14:53:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so how did they sneak in?
[14:53:28 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: ah, interesting
[14:54:20 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: I suspect that there is something in the way that the comment block is structured that makes it invisible to the minifier (OK, stating the obvious... back to work)
[14:54:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: That's what anastasiac thought. We should really look into it
[14:55:51 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: it's pretty wierd
[14:56:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> totally
[14:56:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> is it possible we have some kind of pre-minified version of jquery in the repo?
[14:56:41 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: ...?
[14:57:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: well, is jquery-1.3.1.js already minified in our repository?
[14:57:50 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: nope
[14:58:05 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: I just checked
[14:58:29 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> sorry for the confusion... I was boggling over how that might happen and how we could miss it, but it didn't and we didn't
[14:59:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> cool
[15:00:25 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark and anastasiac : OK, I've got it. /*!
[15:00:41 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac is intrigued
[15:00:47 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> what is odd is that, except for the first instance, the bang gets removed in the minification process
[15:03:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> interesting
[15:04:48 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'm trying to confirm right now
[15:09:29 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark, anastasiac : there is another pattern that doesn't get minified: /*@
[15:10:00 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> interesting
[15:10:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> wow
[15:10:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I find it a bit disappointing that we have to ship jQuery's extra comment bytes
[15:10:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> but for 0.8, this is the way
[15:11:16 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: this is jsmin the Crockford util or is it some other minifier?
[15:11:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: We're using yui compressor, as far as I remember.
[15:11:44 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: yeah, I gotta stop going down this rat hole
[15:11:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It is generally considered the best and safest out there.
[15:11:59 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: OK, when we're done with the release I'll look at the docs
[15:12:27 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> pretty sure that they have a bug or a rule that says that if a comment block starts with a certain pattern then ignore
[15:12:41 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> and I suspect that it's on purpose to leave licenses complete
[15:12:58 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> why else would anyone purposefully put in a bang into a comment like that
[15:13:15 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> the bug one is the "/*@", wack
[15:16:58 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: the source bundle looks good on a quick inspection
[15:17:31 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: however, I have found a problem with the minified bundle
[15:17:41 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: the Uploader errors
[15:18:01 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> other things are working great
[15:18:03 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> funny
[15:18:19 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran: what about the Uploader errors?
[15:19:04 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: the Uploader template file, when you click Browse, there is a JS error
[15:19:15 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> [Exception... "'Call to SelectFiles failed' when calling method: [nsIDOMEventListener::handleEvent]" nsresult: "0x8057001e (NS_ERROR_XPC_JS_THREW_STRING)" location: "<unknown>" data: no]
[15:19:15 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> [Break on this error] var SWFUpload;if(SWFUpload==undefined){S...n: "ex.name" Message: "+ex.message)}};
[15:19:48 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> oh, that is so familiar...
[15:20:02 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> is it the swfupload security issue?
[15:20:46 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: shouldn't be, I'm testing in FF3
[15:20:58 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> why does browser matter?
[15:20:59 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> but I'll look
[15:23:41 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I thought that bug only happened in IE... maybe I'm mistaken.
[15:23:55 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> no, I think it's anywhere
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[15:25:34 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: OK, strangeness, the Flash file is missing from the minifyied bundle
[15:25:53 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: like not in the directory where it should be!
[15:26:47 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: any ideas? I just looked inside the zip and confirmed, the file is missing
[15:27:22 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: you might want to think about this too ^
[15:27:32 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran:
[15:27:39 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> check the build.properties
[15:27:40 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> file
[15:27:49 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> it lists all files that need to be included by name
[15:27:57 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> ah, that would do it
[15:27:59 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> it sounds like the flash version is not present
[15:28:06 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I'll fix
[15:28:20 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, it's a bad way to do things, and it often happens that new files get forgotten
[15:28:29 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> we don't notice till be try building the bundle
[15:30:11 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I guess what is confusing is why one bundle worked and the other didn't
[15:30:25 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> were you testing the same flash version?
[15:30:34 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: yes
[15:30:37 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> odd...
[15:30:44 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> is it working now?
[15:31:11 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> so build.properties does not contain references to the those files but build.xml does (the old files, not the new file)
[15:31:51 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> lemme look...
[15:31:58 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> thanks
[15:32:13 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> build.xml should be referencing variables that build.properties defines
[15:32:51 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: we've dropped swfupload_f9.swf and swfupload_f10.swf and are now just using swfupload.swf
[15:33:09 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> swfupload_f9.swf and swfupload_f10.swf are mentioned by name in the build.xml
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[15:33:43 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> hm
[15:33:47 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ok, I see
[15:34:02 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> maybe your test worked because you had a wayward numbered file present...
[15:34:21 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> so build.xml needs to be fixed to reference the one file
[15:34:24 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> instead of the two files
[15:34:27 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> try that...
[15:34:46 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> will do
[15:34:52 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> (I was wrong about the properties file, I guess)
[15:35:00 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> let me know if that wasn't the issue
[15:41:19 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: this is looking better
[15:41:24 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: testing now
[15:43:45 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac, Justin_o: do you guys want to look over these pre-tag bundles or will you take my word that they look good (I won't be offended)
[15:44:02 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I think they're good enough, we
[15:44:10 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> will do thorough testing on the tagged version
[15:44:18 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, how do you feel?
[15:44:27 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i agree
[15:45:44 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: OK, I'm moving on to tagging and building real bu... oops, I need to check in this builds.xml change first
[15:45:52 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I guess I'll need a JIRA for that
[15:46:21 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> 2236 should be good for that
[15:46:28 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran: ^
[15:46:52 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: aggreed!
[15:50:02 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> OK World, the Fluid source repository is now closed for tagging
[15:54:43 EST(-0500)] * athena7 cheers
[15:54:52 EST(-0500)] <jessm> ecochran: woo hoo
[16:00:34 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ecochran: I have to leave now... but let me know what needs testing and i'll get to it as soon as i get in in the morning tomorrow... sorry... please e-mail me the distros that need to be tested
[16:00:59 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: I was worried about that... sorry that we couldn't get it done sooner
[16:01:11 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> see you in the morning
[16:01:20 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> in case anyone else wants to do some testing...the plan is on the wiki here http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Release+Package+QA+Test++Plan
[16:01:36 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ecochran: no problem... sorry i couldn't stay later
[16:12:04 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I'm ready to actually cut the tag. Does this look right
[16:12:04 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> svn copy fluid-0.8 https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/components/tags/fluid-0.8
[16:12:10 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> ?
[16:12:16 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac looks...
[16:12:44 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> assuming your fluid-0.8 folder exists, this looks great to me!
[16:12:51 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yep, that's it
[16:12:52 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> scary, isn't it?
[16:13:28 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yep, and I forgot, I don't know how to use vi, so I need the -m option
[16:13:41 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac>
[16:14:03 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran, lemme know when you have a moment's brain space to reflect on the process
[16:14:11 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> crap, how do I get out of vi?
[16:14:21 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> first, :w to write the file
[16:14:25 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> then :q to quite
[16:14:30 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac is the vi guru
[16:15:53 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I'm in some odd vi state
[16:15:59 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> recording?
[16:16:08 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ah, hm
[16:16:18 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> lemme remember....
[16:17:05 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> press escape (just in case) then q without a : in front of it
[16:17:39 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran, did that work?
[16:17:54 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> so you want to skype/ichat?
[16:18:50 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac is worried that ecochran has fallen into a vi black hole
[16:18:54 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> no... whaa! command line hell... I'm actually pretty good at the shell but I've never learned commandline editing
[16:19:02 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yes, iChat would be great
[16:19:13 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> low blood sugar too
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[16:26:07 EST(-0500)] <athena7> is it safe to assign the current jQuery to a variable like up.$?
[16:26:34 EST(-0500)] <athena7> will having the $ be ok in that case, or would it be better to just use something else entirely?
[16:26:38 EST(-0500)] <athena7> like up.jQuery
[16:29:20 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> Hey, anyone want to give an svn tip?
[16:30:15 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> Basically, I have a checkout from say /svn/vulab/web/tag/0.5 and I want to sync my checked'out version with another directory in the svn, say /svn/vulab/web/trunk
[16:30:28 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> svn update (from another path in svn)
[16:30:46 EST(-0500)] <athena7> check out the svn switch command - that may be what you want?
[16:30:49 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero>
[16:30:50 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> thanks
[16:30:52 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> I'll go read.
[16:31:26 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> athena7: looks to be exactly what I want a thankyou to you.
[16:31:31 EST(-0500)] <athena7> no problem
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[16:32:27 EST(-0500)] <lessthanzero> "This subcommand updates your working copy to mirror a new URL" = success
[16:33:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Release going ok?
[16:34:21 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: yep, I let myself get lowblood sugar and now I'm going to go eat
[16:34:40 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: anastasiac is testing the minified bundle
[16:34:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: cool, go eat
[16:34:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> things seem to be coming along nicely
[16:34:54 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'm going to jump on the other after there is a burrito in my hand
[16:35:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yum
[16:35:39 EST(-0500)] <athena7> mmmmburrito
[16:37:00 EST(-0500)] * colinclark goes back to editing documentation.
[16:39:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Have you left for burritoville yet?
[16:46:52 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: back
[16:46:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> cool
[16:47:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i actually answered my own question
[16:47:15 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> cool
[16:47:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> it's nice to see how the styles: {} option in uploader is so much simpler in this release
[16:47:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> super cool
[16:48:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: I think for 1.0, we should take a pass through the default options, especially for the upload manager, and double check that they are good.
[16:48:25 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yep
[16:48:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I really do like working on documentation, this is so fun.
[16:49:52 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> glad to hear it
[16:49:55 EST(-0500)] <athena7> your documentation is much appreciated
[16:50:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It gives me the feeling of getting something done.
[16:50:07 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> athena7 that's great to hear
[16:50:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[16:50:17 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> please provide any suggestions you may have for improvement!
[16:51:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Any suggestion on how I should document the file and error constants for the Uploader?
[16:51:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> For starters, I was just lazy and did this:
[16:51:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Uploader+API#UploaderAPI-FileStatusConstants
[16:51:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Which is just a cut-and-paste job of the actual code.
[16:51:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> With constants, people really needn't care about the values.
[16:51:35 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> this seems reasonable for now
[16:51:47 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> say, do you have call display at home?
[16:51:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[16:51:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yes
[16:51:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> why?
[16:52:06 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> can I call you, and you can tell me what line is calling?
[16:52:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> On the other hand, I could put them into a table and explain what each constant means. But they're pretty self-descriptive.
[16:52:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Sure, call away.
[16:52:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> You have the num?
[16:54:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> So while I checked anastasiac's phone number for her, we talked about the uploader constants...
[16:55:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm going to stick them in a one-column table for now, just with their names.
[16:55:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Maybe someone who hasn't used the Uploader much could look at them and tell me if they are self-explanatory enough not to require a description column?
[16:57:56 EST(-0500)] <athena7> does your script depend on a recent version of ant?
[16:59:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> athena7: The build script?
[16:59:16 EST(-0500)] <athena7> yeah
[16:59:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> If I had to guess, it might use Ant 1.7...
[16:59:25 EST(-0500)] <athena7> ah
[16:59:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I always keep two versions of Ant floating around.
[16:59:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> One for uPortal, and then the latest version.
[16:59:37 EST(-0500)] <athena7> yeah, we use an older version for uportal
[16:59:41 EST(-0500)] <athena7> lol yep
[16:59:48 EST(-0500)] <athena7> i don't use ant for much else
[17:00:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Sorry about that. I can't remember if any of our targets are 1.7-specific, but I think they might be.
[17:00:27 EST(-0500)] <athena7> there we go
[17:00:31 EST(-0500)] <athena7> one of them seems to be
[17:00:34 EST(-0500)] <athena7> easily enough fixed
[17:02:34 EST(-0500)] <athena7> woo
[17:02:35 EST(-0500)] <athena7> thanks
[17:05:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[17:06:39 EST(-0500)] <athena7> you guys don't know anything about jquery ui's release schedule do you?
[17:07:43 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran, are you back yet?
[17:07:57 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I'm here...
[17:08:04 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> found a missing file...
[17:08:08 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> just finishing the last bites
[17:08:09 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> ah
[17:08:11 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> which one
[17:08:17 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> InlineEditIntegrations.js
[17:08:27 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> the dropdown and rich text inline edits don't work without it
[17:08:43 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'm not sure the right process...
[17:08:59 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> build.properties has to be updated, but trunk or tag? both? one, then merged to the other?
[17:09:08 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> maybe colinclark can advise... ^
[17:09:32 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yes, advise us, colinclark
[17:09:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac, ecochran: Ok, just to make sure I understand before I offer any silly advice...
[17:09:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We forgot to include InlineEditIntegration.js in our build script?
[17:10:01 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> right
[17:10:05 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> and the tag has been cut
[17:10:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And now we need to commit a change to build.xml?
[17:10:10 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> right
[17:10:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Make the change in trunk.
[17:10:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Delete the tag.
[17:10:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Cut it again.
[17:10:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> That's probably the simplest approach.
[17:10:27 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: makes sense
[17:10:40 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> this points to possible recommendation for changes in process
[17:10:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I mean, you can change files in the tag...
[17:10:58 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> perhaps the bundle should be more thoroughly tested before cutting the tag
[17:11:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> but it really violates the semantics of a tag. They're supposed to be snapshots.
[17:11:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I think that probably makes sense.
[17:11:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> "violates the semantics"
[17:11:25 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> then more perfunctory testing of the bundle made from the tag itself
[17:11:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> What a dorky expression.
[17:11:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[17:11:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: That makes sense. Really, the build that results in a frozen trunk is going to be absolutely identical to one produced from the tag.
[17:11:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> If you know what I mean.
[17:12:04 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'm going to run a diff on the distro and the tag
[17:12:05 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> exactly
[17:12:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: ?
[17:12:23 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ok, I'm updating the process docs, I'll make sure to document this
[17:13:15 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: sorry, just checking to see if there are anymore missing files
[17:13:58 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran, I will continue testing the bundle you sent.
[17:14:08 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> once I'm finished, we can try another bundle
[17:14:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Ah, gotcha.
[17:17:03 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> does anyone (ecochran, colinclark, fj4000, Bosmon, Bosmo1) know of any security issues using UI Options??
[17:17:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Security issues?
[17:17:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Strange question. Why do you ask?
[17:17:54 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> not inherintly, no
[17:17:56 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> "Access to restricted URI denied" code: "1012"
[17:18:02 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> ajax call in sakai?
[17:18:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: In what context?
[17:18:12 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> trying to use UI options
[17:18:15 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> in the sakai demo
[17:18:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> where from/
[17:18:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ?
[17:18:35 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> its the ajax call if its on your local machine
[17:18:35 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> local hard drive
[17:18:40 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> without running off a server
[17:18:52 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> you mean it has to be running off a server to test?
[17:19:00 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> is that what michelled has been doing all along?
[17:19:01 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> the sakai demo, yes
[17:19:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> fj4000: Is this an issue with sdata, you mean?
[17:19:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Or with our code?
[17:19:09 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> this is the mock-up
[17:19:19 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> sample-code/shared/sakai/sakai.html
[17:19:40 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> you cant access uri's off the hard drive
[17:20:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> fj4000: What URLs are you trying to invoke?
[17:20:32 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> its trying to crawl up several directories
[17:20:38 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> but this test works in the team account on this machine, but not here in my personal account
[17:20:41 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'm so confused
[17:20:41 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> to pull in ui options' template
[17:21:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> fj4000: Got a line of code to point me to?
[17:21:41 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> works in safari
[17:21:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> fj4000: line 55 of sakai.js?
[17:21:49 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> line number...
[17:22:35 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> 3395
[17:22:40 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> fluid-all.js :-/
[17:22:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Yeah, thanks.
[17:22:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[17:23:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: It's related to FF3's heightened security rules.
[17:23:08 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> wait
[17:23:28 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> sorry, no that line number was jquery.js
[17:23:32 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> non-minified
[17:23:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I know
[17:23:34 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> non fluid-all
[17:23:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[17:24:00 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark, so it's a setting in FF3?
[17:24:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Well, it's a default in FF3.
[17:24:22 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> how do I turn it off?
[17:24:29 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac doesn't remember doing this in the team account
[17:25:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Honestly, I'm not sure. I'm just observing that it works in other browsers...
[17:25:18 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> hmph
[17:25:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and that FF3 rightfully tightened up their security policies.
[17:25:37 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: when you guys are free, I'm not sure of how to add this file into the build... seems that I need to put it into bluid.properties, not sure whether it should be a "new" InlineEdit dependency or whether it should be a Fluid dependency
[17:25:55 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran: there's a line that lists all the fluid files
[17:26:04 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> you need to add the new file to that line, in the right order
[17:26:10 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> which would probably be right after InlineEdit.js
[17:26:13 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> does that make sense?
[17:26:33 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> "fluid_order_of_dependencies=Fluid.js...."
[17:26:46 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran: ^
[17:26:53 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I see that, but it doesn't actually list all the fluid files
[17:27:00 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ?
[17:27:02 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> what's missing?
[17:27:06 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> as some of the files are listed under the other dependencies
[17:27:11 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ah, ok
[17:27:13 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> take uploader as an example
[17:27:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Just list it in the standard set of dependencies for now.
[17:27:29 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> well, I 'd guess this file should be included wherever InlineEdit.js is
[17:27:37 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> given that it's InlineEditIntegrations.js
[17:27:41 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> anastasiac: Sorry to be out....
[17:27:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: It would involve modifying the rest of the script to put it in its own set.
[17:27:51 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Bosmo1, no problem!
[17:27:53 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> But yes, the UIOptions issue did seem to be a security one
[17:27:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And that would be more work than we want before cutting the release.
[17:28:06 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: that's what I wanted to know!
[17:28:08 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> great
[17:28:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: So just put it in fluid_order_of_dependencies
[17:28:09 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> thanks
[17:28:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[17:28:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> np
[17:28:12 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> will do
[17:30:02 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> I don't see anything dorky about the expression "violates the semantics"
[17:30:10 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> At least, nothing unnecessarily dorky
[17:30:58 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac and colinclark : am I right in thinking that these build dependency statements are just used for the minified version of the build, since the non-minified build wasn't missing this file or the previous missing Uploader file?
[17:30:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[17:31:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Well, then, duad, I guess we're pretty cool for using expressions like that.
[17:31:30 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> I would say you are correct
[17:31:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ^ that was a lot of commas
[17:31:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> uniquely so?
[17:31:39 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran, I think it's only for Fluid-all
[17:31:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[17:31:45 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> minified or not
[17:32:03 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> hmm
[17:32:06 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> the 'order of dependencies' is used to know what order to include the files into fluid-all in
[17:32:17 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> if it's not in that list, it doesn't get included
[17:32:32 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Now you are being dorky
[17:33:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmo1: Me? Dorky?
[17:33:27 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: OK, now I get the problem. I thought that the file will missing from the bundle that I sent anastasiac. But it's that it's missing from Fluid.js
[17:33:34 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: do I have that right
[17:33:37 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> ?
[17:34:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: It stretches the rules a bit, but I will review your commit.
[17:34:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I mean, it's not the kind of issues that should trigger a complete re-run of the QA process...
[17:34:25 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> anastasiac
[17:34:26 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> http://ejohn.org/blog/tightened-local-file-security/
[17:34:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so someone's got to do it. Best to be you, since you are the Release Manager.
[17:34:46 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> fj4000: thanks
[17:34:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Plus, didn't you change the build file earlier today anyway?
[17:35:06 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran, colinclark: at least I've confirmed that this security issue is not a problem with the bundle, but rather with my browser
[17:35:34 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: we did change the build.xml file earlier today
[17:35:38 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran, yes - the file is in the bundle, but not in Fluid-all.js
[17:35:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: File a JIRA about it. But clearly it was a known issue for fish and fj4000.
[17:35:47 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: thanks!
[17:35:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> "UI Options' Sakai demo can only be run from a server."
[17:36:00 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark, I'm not sure what to file!
[17:36:07 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> That is awkward
[17:36:08 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> it's not true that it can only be run from a server
[17:36:18 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> only in FF3
[17:36:18 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I can run it just fine on the team account in FF3
[17:36:19 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Is the issue simply that it has surplus ".." in the AJAX path?
[17:36:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> "...when using FF3."
[17:36:23 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> just not in FF3 in my account
[17:36:30 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> it works in Safari, too
[17:36:31 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> What is the basis of the security restriction?
[17:36:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Yes, but you have a whack FF3.
[17:36:39 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> !!
[17:36:41 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'm offended!
[17:36:42 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Well, it didn't run for me either
[17:36:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok, everyone quiet down for a second
[17:36:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sorry
[17:36:48 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac>
[17:36:55 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> I also have a whack system as you know
[17:36:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Let's finish your thread first, since you're waiting to cut the release.
[17:36:57 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> It runs Win2k
[17:37:03 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> OK, I will be back
[17:37:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Shoot, dude.
[17:37:10 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> But it can't run UIOptions sakai either
[17:37:15 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: shall I check in the build.properties file for you to review
[17:37:16 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> ?
[17:37:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Yes, please do.
[17:37:30 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: OK
[17:37:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'll review, then we'll test the bundle again.
[17:37:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: File a JIRA about it first.
[17:37:45 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac goes to take care of her own low-blood-sugar issues
[17:37:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Or whatever it is that release managers do.
[17:38:11 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I was going to file it under FLUID-2236 which is the release bunder jira
[17:38:21 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> bundler
[17:38:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Maybe make a subissue for it? Just so it's clear what it is?
[17:38:46 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> OK
[17:39:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmo1, anastasiac: My point was that a whack FF3 can run this example locally.
[17:39:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The issue is that the UI Options Sakai demo can't be run locally on FF3. At least under ordinary circumstances.
[17:40:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> This was something apparently fj4000 and michelled were aware of.
[17:40:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I can't quite explain how it is reasonable, but that's a whole other issue.
[17:40:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Make sense?
[17:41:16 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> colinclark - any other way of not duplcating this template while pushing it in more than one place would be good
[17:41:22 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> we talked about this issue before
[17:41:27 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: FLUID-2272
[17:41:39 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> but we didnt have a solution
[17:41:56 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: checked in (6559)
[17:42:04 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: build.properties
[17:42:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: great. taking a look now.
[17:42:29 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac is back with food
[17:42:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: um
[17:42:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yum
[17:42:44 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark: what is a "whack FF3?" what makes it whack?
[17:42:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I have no idea.
[17:42:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[17:42:56 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> well, that's helpful
[17:42:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[17:43:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> My point is just that the standard case seems to be for it to not run successfully on FF3.
[17:43:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> That is what we seem to be observing, yes?
[17:43:47 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> can't tell which is the standard case and which is whack, though
[17:43:58 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> maybe the whack FF3 is the one that can't run it
[17:44:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Well, I can't run it in FF3. Jacob couldn't. Antranig couldn't.
[17:44:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And, as I say, FF3 did certainly tighten up their security restrictions.
[17:44:46 EST(-0500)] * clown (n=clown@142.150.154.101) has left #fluid-work
[17:44:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Just building it now
[17:45:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> the property itself looks fine
[17:45:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I hope it was clear I was joking in calling your FF3 "whack."
[17:45:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I mean, it's perfectly lovely.
[17:45:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> In fact, it's clearly superpowered.
[17:45:41 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'd hoped it was clear I was joking in being offended
[17:45:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok cool
[17:45:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so now we're all joking
[17:46:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and we know it
[17:46:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[17:46:16 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2273
[17:46:26 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> feel free to add comments, since I'm not sure I understand ig
[17:47:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I'm not sure anyone understands it.
[17:47:29 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ok, back to bundle testing
[17:47:41 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran, let me know when you have a new bundle for me to test
[17:48:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: +1. The file has definitely been included in Fluid-all.js this time.
[17:48:51 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> OK, I need to make a new tag.
[17:50:55 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran: should we test the bundle before we cut the tag/
[17:51:01 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> as per the new process thoughts?
[17:51:31 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: that makes sense
[17:51:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I just took a look at the link fj4000 sent along.
[17:52:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It not only "apparently" explains the issue, it undoubtedly does so.
[17:52:14 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> echochran: just in case...
[17:52:47 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark, I have updated my comment
[17:52:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: In short, FF3 won't allow scripts to walk up to parent directories when using XHR off a local file system.
[17:54:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Apparently the rationale is that users often download HTML pages to their local file system and it could thus open up a security hole.
[17:54:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> As for your browser being whack... somehow you've got your security settings overridden? Or maybe you're running an old FF3?
[17:54:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Anyway, that's that.
[17:56:34 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: file is on it's way to you
[17:56:50 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark, regarding old vs newer FF3: only if you can have different versions on two accounts on the same machine (i.e. the same Applications folder)
[17:57:00 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran: got it
[18:04:59 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran, colinclark: what's the status with Flash? 9? 10? both? (sorry I haven't kept up to date)
[18:05:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Both work great in all browsers.
[18:05:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> For our Uploader.
[18:05:25 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> hm
[18:05:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Though Flash 10 officially Sucks for this silly security issue.
[18:06:35 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> hm
[18:06:45 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> SecurityError: Error #2060: Security sandbox violation: ExternalInterface caller file:///Users/stasia/fluid-0.8/fluid-components/flash/swfupload.swf?preventswfcaching=1235084798474 cannot access file:///Users/stasia/fluid-0.8/fluid-components/html/templates/Uploader.html.
[18:06:46 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> at flash.external::ExternalInterface$/_initJS()
[18:06:46 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> at flash.external::ExternalInterface$/call()
[18:06:46 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> at ExternalCall$/Bool()
[18:06:46 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> at SWFUpload()
[18:08:02 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I did the settings_manager trick, and restarted the browser...
[18:08:10 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> any insights, colinclark or ecochran?
[18:09:01 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> and this doesn't work in the browser where the UI Options demo does work
[18:09:10 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> i.e. it doesn't work in the whack browser
[18:10:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: lol
[18:10:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Do you have your Flash security settings correctly specified?
[18:10:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> You're probably running this from a different path?
[18:11:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Go here: http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager04.html
[18:11:10 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I went to the macromedia site and added the currently tested path to the list alrady
[18:11:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Hmm
[18:11:17 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I double-checked that it's there
[18:11:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Never seen this before at all.
[18:11:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> are we climbing up a path?
[18:11:53 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> up and back down again, it seems?
[18:11:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> hmm
[18:12:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i wonder if this is essentially the same issue as with ui options
[18:12:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> is this FF3?
[18:12:19 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I wondered too (yes), that's why I tried it in the whack browser
[18:12:31 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> and got the same error
[18:12:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Does it work everywhere else?
[18:12:38 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> was about to try
[18:13:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: It works for me in FF3 against the minified build.
[18:14:12 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> might be my browser/machine
[18:14:22 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'm testing the minified build, too
[18:14:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Just double checking here... no spaces in your path?
[18:14:45 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> nope
[18:15:00 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> you can see it in the error message
[18:16:16 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> broken in safari too
[18:16:31 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark: what version of Flash are you testing?
[18:16:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: And you're super sure that /Users/stasia/fluid-0.8 was set in your Flash Settings Manager?
[18:16:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I'm using Flash 9 on the Mac.
[18:17:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Let me try it on Flash 10... only have that in Windows.
[18:17:06 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I used the settings manager to browse to the file
[18:17:09 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'm testing 10
[18:17:23 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'll try Windows
[18:17:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Set the whole fluid-0.8 directory, just in case
[18:17:33 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> k
[18:18:35 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> oh, good lord
[18:18:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ?
[18:18:45 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> now, no errors
[18:18:52 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> and no file dialog
[18:19:01 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> just nothingness
[18:19:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: How odd.
[18:19:27 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> indeed
[18:19:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Is your machine eating itself?
[18:19:38 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'm beginning to suspect...
[18:19:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It works for me off the minified build with Flash 10 on Windows XP.
[18:19:59 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ok, there must be something 'whack' with my machine
[18:20:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Maybe try it real quick on the iMac?
[18:20:22 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> k
[18:20:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and then we'll do a time-check
[18:20:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> if things are getting too late, we can ship tomorrow morning when we're fresh
[18:21:16 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> just a reminder that I'm not here tomorrow...
[18:23:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: ack, yes
[18:27:23 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> odd
[18:27:50 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark: on the imac, I got no error messages at all, not even the usual security one you get when you haven't done the flash shenanigans
[18:27:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Meaning it works?
[18:28:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Or doesn't?
[18:28:03 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> it didn't work, but no error messages
[18:28:16 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> when I did the shenanigans on the flash file itself, no effect
[18:28:24 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> on the whole fluid-0.8 folder, it works
[18:28:29 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> bizzare
[18:28:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Wait, so if you set the security privileges for the whole folder, it works?
[18:29:05 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> on the fluid-0.8 folder, yes
[18:29:07 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> hm...
[18:29:12 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac>
[18:29:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Okay, so that looks like a bug in our README file for the Uploader, that's all.
[18:29:24 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> where is it looking for the flash file??
[18:29:33 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> that's coded in a pref somewhere, isn't it?
[18:29:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: flashURL: "../../flash/swfupload.swf",
[18:30:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I wonder if they've just taken FF3's lead and prevented path-walking unless you open up the entire folder?
[18:30:33 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> where is that?
[18:30:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> As long as it's working, it's just a minor tweak to the README.
[18:30:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Line 384 of SWFUploadManager. Right at the bottom.
[18:31:30 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I am having trouble with the Scheduler-test.html in the source bundle, using Fluid-all.js. Did you test that in the minified version?
[18:31:39 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> and the path is relative to the html?
[18:31:49 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> right, ok
[18:32:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Yep
[18:32:08 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran, i did, but let me double-check
[18:32:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: What trouble are you having?
[18:32:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It works for me in the minified version. Trying on the source build
[18:32:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yeah, seems cool here
[18:32:41 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran, seems to work for me - what was your error?
[18:32:50 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: all tests failing after I replace the regular scripts with Fluid-all.js
[18:32:56 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> oh, wait - I didn't try fluid-all.js...
[18:32:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: ah, interesting
[18:32:59 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> let me do that now
[18:33:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: You can't replace all scripts with Fluid-all.js
[18:33:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Since we don't ship things like QUnit in Fluid-all.js
[18:33:42 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> nope, works for me
[18:33:54 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: you're half right... I replaced the js/Scheduler.js file
[18:34:02 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> right, that would break it
[18:34:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran:
[18:34:06 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> it's in a different place in that test than in the other tests
[18:34:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: So just to double check, what version of Flash is the iMac running?
[18:34:42 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac checks
[18:34:46 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> ok that worked
[18:34:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: great!
[18:35:09 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> v10 of flash
[18:35:16 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> on the imac
[18:35:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: ok, great
[18:35:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: So, to confirm, it works fine if you set the directory in the settings manager
[18:35:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> the containing directory
[18:35:55 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, on the imac
[18:35:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> rather than the file itself?
[18:36:13 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> not containing the file, but containing the folder that has the folder that...
[18:36:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[18:36:22 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: Amazon is giving away a great little 4 track album from Stax in the MP3 Downloads area right now. I'm grooving to so sweet Issac Hayes.
[18:36:24 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> but yes, folder, not file
[18:36:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: That just sounds like a bug in our README, eh?
[18:36:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Free Isaac Hayes!!
[18:36:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yes!
[18:36:44 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: let me look
[18:37:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: I've been setting the folder in Settings Manager for a long time anyway, since it was always more convenient. Which is why I would never have seen this in Flash 10.
[18:37:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I think the instructions probably worked in Flash 9, but we're facing more "security features" in Flash 10
[18:37:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> though i can't quite explain why our beloved OCTACORE is choking on it
[18:37:38 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: pretty sure that used to work... maybe it changed
[18:37:40 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> "Please note that AmazonMP3.com is currently only available to US customers"
[18:37:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: What'dya think? Change the README?
[18:38:05 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Or leave it
[18:38:06 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I'm soo sorry
[18:38:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> you'd have to cut yet another tag
[18:38:13 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: let's fix it
[18:38:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: You sure?
[18:38:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ah, i guess you haven't cut the tag again yet, right?
[18:38:29 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: I haven't cut the second 0.8 tag yet
[18:38:30 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yes
[18:38:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[18:38:35 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I mean no
[18:38:40 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> not cut
[18:38:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Do me a quick favour?
[18:38:57 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> That must of broken a while back
[18:38:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Back on the iMac, go into the Settings Manager.
[18:39:02 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Delete all that stuff.
[18:39:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Double-check that it fails.
[18:39:13 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> right, will do
[18:39:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Then add the src/webapp/fluid-components folder to the Settings Manager.
[18:39:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Double check that it runs again.
[18:39:25 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'm a little confused... cause I just looked at my settings this morning and I swear I was set to the file
[18:39:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> If that passes, we're cool.
[18:39:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Are you running Flash 10?
[18:39:39 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> noooo
[18:39:43 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> silly me
[18:39:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: yeah, it's a flash 10 thing
[18:39:59 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I keep forgetting that I left my Mac at Flash 9 so I could test
[18:40:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: It's really snowy and dark out there. I'm sorry you're here so late.
[18:40:06 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> my VM is Flash 10
[18:40:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: I forget too
[18:40:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: VMWare now supports Mac OS VMs, too.
[18:40:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Probably Parallels does too
[18:40:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I keep meaning to create a Mac Flash 10 VM
[18:40:41 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> well, it doesn't produce the usual message, but it doesn't work
[18:40:51 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> i.e. without the security setting
[18:40:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok, that's good
[18:41:00 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: these VMs take up a lot of room
[18:41:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so now if you add the rc/webapp/fluid-components folder to the Settings Manager?
[18:41:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (it should work again)
[18:41:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: No kidding.
[18:41:28 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> and with the setting it does
[18:41:37 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'll try that setting
[18:42:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran and anastasiac: This somehow seems anti-climatic and trivial, but I have finished updating the Uploader API documentation. http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Uploader+API
[18:42:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I think it's very thorough and correct.
[18:42:37 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> works
[18:42:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Okay, let's fix the Uploader README
[18:42:47 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> works if the flash folder itself is specified
[18:42:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Really!?
[18:42:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> interesting
[18:43:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> well, why don't we tell them that, then?
[18:43:12 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yep
[18:43:13 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> if you're sure it works
[18:43:17 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ooh, snowy!
[18:43:24 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'm not home, so I don't have to shovel
[18:43:26 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> So the fix to the ReadMe is to change step 5 to Click "Browse for folder..." and change step 6 to Select the local directory containing your swfupload.swf file
[18:43:41 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> just double checking
[18:43:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Yes, that's how I understand it. anastasiac?
[18:44:09 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I can write that a little better
[18:44:17 EST(-0500)] * ecochran is wordsmithing
[18:44:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> wicked
[18:44:37 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> yes, that should work
[18:44:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: You did a really nice job on this uploader documentation. it must have been a ton of work to update it for 0.6!
[18:44:55 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> 6. Select the local /src/webapp/fluid-components/flash/ directory that contains the swfupload.swf file
[18:45:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: That's sounds right.
[18:45:11 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ok, back to bundle testing
[18:45:17 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: thanks, I wish that I had done a better job with 0.7
[18:45:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Well, it's all shiny and nice for 0.8.
[18:45:41 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: thank you!
[18:45:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> np
[18:45:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> working on the tut now
[18:45:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> this cat really doesn't want to leave
[18:46:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i'm worried his owners will hate me
[18:46:12 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: ok, this Read Me problem really needs a JIRA
[18:46:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: yp
[18:46:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i'll file it
[18:46:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> you write it
[18:46:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[18:46:27 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> written
[18:46:41 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran: I can confirm that InlineEditIntegrations.js is now successfully included in FLuid-all.js
[18:46:55 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: I can write the bug if you want to get back to the Tut
[18:46:58 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: thanks
[18:47:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: up to you
[18:47:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i'll help however i can
[18:47:12 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: it's getting late there... I'll do it
[18:47:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> k
[18:47:55 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ah, but we might be missing something else, ecochran...
[18:48:09 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: listening
[18:48:19 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> jquery/jquery.tinymce.js
[18:48:32 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> <sigh>
[18:48:53 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> shall I file a JIRA?
[18:49:06 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> f-
[18:49:14 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: yes
[18:49:45 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> as soon as I write this Uploader JIRA and check in the change, I'll fix the bundle
[18:50:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Hold on
[18:50:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> oh wait
[18:50:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> hmm
[18:50:47 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac holds
[18:50:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> thinking
[18:51:10 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm just not sure we even want to include it in Fluid-all
[18:51:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Fluid-all.js must be independent from TinyMCE or FCK...
[18:51:33 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> well, the tinymce rich text inline edit manual test doesn't work without it
[18:51:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> meaning it will work even if it isn't around
[18:51:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Right, but it shouldn't be part of Fluid-all.js
[18:52:00 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> can we include it manually, even if it's in fluid-components/js/jquery?
[18:52:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It's not ours, it's "theirs." It's an add-on
[18:52:07 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> maybe it shouldn't be there?
[18:52:24 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: manually?
[18:52:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> let me make sure i'm thinking clearly about this...
[18:52:40 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> i.e. leave the <script> tag in the html
[18:52:58 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Well, we will have a number of things in fluid-all, that will not work without the inclusion of MCE or whatever
[18:52:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Yes, there's a problem with including it in Fluid-all.js
[18:53:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It assumes that TinyMCE is present.
[18:53:12 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Bosmo1: really?
[18:53:13 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> what?
[18:53:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> this is really a bug.
[18:53:21 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> oh, ok
[18:53:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> // Invoke this immediately to prime TinyMCE.
[18:53:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> tinyMCE.init({
[18:53:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> mode: "none",
[18:53:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> theme: "simple"
[18:53:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> });
[18:53:27 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Oh yes
[18:53:29 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> That bit is a bug
[18:53:30 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1>
[18:53:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> my bug
[18:53:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so it can't be included in Fluid-all.js
[18:53:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It's an "optional add-on"
[18:53:46 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Yes, that is right
[18:53:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> if that makes sense
[18:54:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> There can be examples that don't work without Tiny or FCK... that is fine.
[18:54:07 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> is reasonable to leave it in fluid-components/js/jquery?
[18:54:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> But everything else needs to keep working.
[18:54:16 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> or move it into tests/fluid/manual/inline-edit?
[18:54:16 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Well it is, if we fix it
[18:54:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: yes, keep it in
[18:54:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmo1: correct, but we're not fixing it for 0.8
[18:54:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[18:54:36 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Well right
[18:54:36 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I just found a small bug in the main Fluid ReadMe... we refer to a tinyURL that goes to the wrong place in the wiki, or a place that no longer has the info that we say is there
[18:54:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so keep it where it is
[18:54:41 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> But neither are we doing anything else for 0.8
[18:54:50 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> don't include it in Fluid-all.js
[18:54:53 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> It would be insane to move anything about, now we have done all our testing...
[18:54:54 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Yes
[18:54:56 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> so, to summarize colinclark: leave it where it is, test it with its <script> tag intact
[18:54:57 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: sorry , my mistake
[18:54:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and treat it as an "optional add-on"
[18:55:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: You got it.
[18:55:07 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I was looking for something else
[18:55:27 EST(-0500)] * colinclark formally apologies for such a blatantly obvious bug.
[18:55:28 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran, sorry, not following. What's up?
[18:55:31 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: so the tinymce problem is not, a problem
[18:55:40 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Well, integration issues are never enormously obvious....
[18:55:49 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I thought that I had found a problem in the main Read Me
[18:55:57 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I was looking for something that wasn't there
[18:56:02 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> but I thought it was
[18:56:07 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> I wonder if my "Integrations" actually depends on your plugin...
[18:56:22 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> I mean, it doesn't invoke it
[18:56:31 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> But I don't know if it works without it included
[18:56:33 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran, so the readme is fine?
[18:57:08 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I think so, it's just the Uploader ReadMe that I need to fix
[18:57:14 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ok, excellent
[18:57:28 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> back to bundle testing again
[18:58:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmo1: I think we'd see it immediately upon using Fluid-all.js
[18:58:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And we haven't heard reports of problems from including InlineEditIntegrations.js in Fluid-all.js from anastasiac or ecochran.
[18:59:12 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark and Bosmo1: we had a problem but we fixed it
[18:59:13 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark, Bosmo1: I've tested the rich text and dropdown inline edits with Fluid-all
[18:59:14 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> we're good
[18:59:38 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> sorry, the problem was that it wasn't included
[18:59:46 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'm getting punchy
[18:59:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> k, cool
[18:59:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> we're good
[19:00:46 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: would you be the reviewer for this
[19:00:47 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> http://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/components/trunk/src/webapp/fluid-components/js/fluid/uploader/ReadMe.txt
[19:00:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmo1: Is your standard practice for sniffing something out before using it like this:
[19:00:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> typeof(thing) !== "undefined"
[19:00:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ?
[19:01:06 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran, sure!
[19:01:23 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: the bug is http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2274
[19:01:36 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> k
[19:04:19 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> colinclark: Yes, that is what I do
[19:04:28 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> It is moral, and hygienic
[19:04:30 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran: ARIA is spelled incorrectly as AIRA, and there's a "a HTML button" that to me should be "an HTML button"
[19:04:37 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> also, in the troubleshooting section
[19:04:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Bosmo1: Ok, great. I've filed this jquery.tinymce bug: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2275
[19:04:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'll fix it after freeze.
[19:04:55 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> anastasiac: This depends on whether you come from the home counties or not
[19:05:06 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> in my experience, that console error message is a sign that you need to do the 'enableing'
[19:05:12 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> Some people might talk of "a eye"
[19:05:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[19:05:21 EST(-0500)] <Bosmo1> As in, "a heye for a heye"
[19:05:25 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> and if it still happens, then the url might be wrong
[19:05:47 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac is clearly not from a home county
[19:05:48 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: let's file those for 1.0, OK?
[19:06:00 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> ecochran: ok
[19:06:33 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> otherwise, it looks good
[19:06:41 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I'll comment on the JIRA
[19:06:57 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: thanks, I'm fixing the wiki page
[19:08:18 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: I've forgotten where I am in my testing...
[19:08:34 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac>
[19:08:38 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> California?
[19:08:58 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: oh yeah... state testing!
[19:09:08 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> LOL
[19:14:17 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> this tutorial is ancient for Uploader
[19:14:23 EST(-0500)] * anastasiac2 (n=team@142.150.154.189) has joined #fluid-work
[19:14:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i will cook dinner for darcie, then work away at it.
[19:14:29 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sorry for the delay
[19:17:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i'll leave the laptop on. ping loudly if you need a hand with release testing or other work
[19:17:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran, anastasiac2: ^
[19:18:22 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: thanks
[19:18:23 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> ecochran, I'm doing some testing on IE now
[19:18:33 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> (hence the new nick, on the other account)
[19:18:41 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> OK, I'm still working on the source bundle
[19:18:47 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac2: cool
[19:19:01 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> oh no! two anastasiac2
[19:22:50 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac2: is this Access to restricted URI denied" code: "1012 the problem that you and colinclark were discussing earlier?
[19:23:04 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> yes, that's it
[19:23:21 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: what was the resolution?
[19:23:43 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> FLUID-2273
[19:23:48 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> don't know what the resolution is
[19:24:12 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac: awesome!
[19:24:23 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac2: awesome
[19:24:37 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I just sent that to the wrong anastasiac2
[19:24:55 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2>
[19:25:00 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac2: OK, off to the next test
[19:25:00 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> we are confusing...
[19:25:46 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anything that I could say now would probably get me in trouble
[19:27:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> two anastasiac's!
[19:28:21 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> nothin' but trouble
[19:30:16 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac and anastasiac2: I think that I just found another build.xml problem
[19:30:29 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'm having trouble running the Uploader with Fluid-all.js
[19:30:34 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> ugh
[19:30:40 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> and?
[19:30:46 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> looks like the Demo uploader file might be missing
[19:30:51 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> looking now
[19:31:19 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yep
[19:31:20 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> colinclark, are you there?
[19:31:36 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yep
[19:31:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> don't tell darcie i'm typing instead of cooking
[19:31:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark>
[19:32:01 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> oh, wait...
[19:32:18 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> no
[19:32:30 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> ok: I'm having trouble accessing sirius - to upload the bundles
[19:32:37 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> do you recall the new password??
[19:32:46 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> (not for cmsms, but for shell/ftp)
[19:33:11 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> colinclark: ^
[19:33:18 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac2: and colinclark OK it looks like the reference to DemoUploadManager.js is missing from the build.xml file
[19:33:29 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> ecochran: <sigh>
[19:33:34 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> how did you find that?
[19:33:38 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> sorry build.properties
[19:33:39 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> what did you test?
[19:33:54 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I tested Fluid-all.js with the Uploader template
[19:34:03 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> replacing the scripts
[19:34:03 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> hm...
[19:34:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac2: I'm not sure I ever knew the passwords, unfortunately.
[19:34:06 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> thought I did, too
[19:34:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: I'm totally shocked by that...
[19:34:20 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac2: really?
[19:34:22 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> ah, was in the process
[19:34:28 EST(-0500)] <athena7> is the current 0.8 tag the final release?
[19:34:28 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> hadn't yet tried the fluid-all
[19:34:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> How could demouploadmanager get removed from that list?
[19:34:48 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> <!-- Order of Uploader dependencies -->
[19:34:48 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> fluid_uploader_order_of_dependencies=FileQueue.js,SWFUploadManager.js,Scroller.js,Progress.js,Uploader.js
[19:34:54 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> don't know
[19:34:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: wow
[19:35:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> oh damn
[19:35:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> you can blame that one on me, too
[19:35:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> DemoUploadManager was part of SWFUploadManager in 0.7
[19:35:23 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: really?
[19:35:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I broke it back out in 0.8 since it works with any uploadmanager now.
[19:35:42 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: of course
[19:35:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and I forgot to add it to build.properties
[19:35:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i'm sorry
[19:36:37 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: so should be?
[19:36:38 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> fluid_uploader_order_of_dependencies=FileQueue.js,DemoUploadManager.js,SWFUploadManager.js,Scroller.js,Progress.js,Uploader.js
[19:36:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> double checking...
[19:37:01 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yes, that's correct
[19:37:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Tomorrow, once you've rested from your release manager experience, you could probably help by sending an email reminding people that the hardest part of the release is when they forget to add files to the build scripts.
[19:37:37 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> it's a common mistake
[19:37:51 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: yes, tomorrow I'll be less grumpy about... actually not really grumpy now
[19:38:02 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> but wondering if I'm going to get done tonight
[19:38:46 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> well, considering that at the moment we can't upload the bundles to the site because I can't remember the password...
[19:39:16 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> <cr**>
[19:39:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran, anastasiac2: There's no problem with shipping tomorrow, that's why we pad the extra day.
[19:39:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> The only challenge is this password issue.
[19:39:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac2: Aren't these passwords in our super-secure locker facility?
[19:39:55 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> when Nakul move sirius, we all had to reset our passwords
[19:40:08 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> I'm pretty sure that I reset it, but I can't remember to what
[19:40:15 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> they're no longer in the locker
[19:40:23 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> my old paper is a bit out of date
[19:40:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> oh dear
[19:40:26 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> indeed
[19:40:33 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> I'm terribly sorry about ths
[19:40:42 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> and terribly angry with myself for forgetting a password
[19:40:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac2: Ok, I'll talk with Nakul about resetting the password.
[19:40:59 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And making sure that our list is up to date and stored securely.
[19:41:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> And then I can upload the bundle tomorrow.
[19:41:24 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> anastasiac2 and colinclark : well, I too am supposed to be home cooking dinner in about 20 minutes, but tomorrow is a little bit busy. I have time, just not that much in the morning... maybe I can get up early
[19:41:26 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> will you be in the office?
[19:41:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Tomorrow when you get in, we'll update build.properties, do another round of testing, and cut the release.
[19:41:37 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yes
[19:41:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> No pressure.
[19:41:47 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> It sounds like it will only take about an hour.
[19:41:51 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> colinclark: will you be in the office tomorrow?
[19:41:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Make the fix, bit more testing, then go for it.
[19:41:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac2: Yep
[19:42:07 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> OK, plan... I'll build new bundles tonight so that Justin can help with testing... where should I post them?
[19:42:25 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Stick them on the JIRA ticket.
[19:42:41 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> and then I'll be in early tomorrow. no later than 8, my time but probably earlier
[19:42:49 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: thanks
[19:42:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Ok, no big rush.
[19:43:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> We'll get this out. All the hard work is done now, it's just i-crossing and t-dotting.
[19:43:23 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark and anastasiac2: tempted to cut the tag again. What do you think?
[19:43:30 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> colinclark: I will be in town tomorrow, out of the house, doing renos
[19:43:45 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> I'll be in for lunch, and can check email, etc, then, in case you need anything
[19:44:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac2: Don't sweat it. I'll ping you if I need anything, but the whole process is documented, so we'll be cool.
[19:44:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: We can cut the tag tomorrow. Go home and have a relaxing dinner.
[19:44:36 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: OK, thanks
[19:44:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> no
[19:44:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> nice work
[19:45:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> looks like the roughest edge in our process is actually keeping the build scripts in sync with the code.
[19:45:23 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> colinclark: did you get the messages I sent you privately?
[19:45:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac2: yep
[19:46:00 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> we're all cool
[19:46:11 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> k
[19:46:21 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac2> I'm going to brave the weather now, to get home
[19:46:22 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: that and the manual testing of Fluid-all.js which is pretty tedious and error prone.... but as we've seen quite necessary... but we've talked about all that
[19:46:34 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> right, yes
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[19:46:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> we'll get there
[19:49:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: You ready to ship out?
[19:50:25 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: almost, I'm doing one more bundle so that Justin can get to them before I get in, and I'm going to send out something to the list
[19:51:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: k. I'll be here if you need anything
[19:51:57 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: thanks, wont be long now
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[19:52:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> k
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[19:59:41 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: should I delete the 0.8 tag just to avoid confusion?
[20:03:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: yep, go for it
[20:04:14 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: last thing to do before heading home
[20:05:19 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[20:05:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Nice work today, dude.
[20:06:29 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: Thanks, it's a been a long day. I haven't worked this hard in a while with some many moving parts.
[20:07:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran:
[20:07:55 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: OK, tag is gone
[20:07:59 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> and so am I!
[20:08:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> thanks!
[20:08:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> see you tomorrow
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