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[08:21:22 EST(-0500)] * Topic is 'Bug Parade February 11 - 16' set by Justin_o on 2009-02-11 08:21:22 EST(-0500)
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[08:26:18 EST(-0500)] * Topic is 'Bug Parade February 11 - 16 http://issues.fluidproject.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestId=10129' ' set by Justin_o on 2009-02-11 08:26:18 EST(-0500)
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[08:28:27 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled: do you see the topic changed?
[08:28:45 EST(-0500)] <michelled> yes I do
[08:29:01 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I realized what I did - I changed the topic in a different channel
[08:29:05 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> oh hahaha
[08:29:06 EST(-0500)] <michelled> silly me
[08:29:23 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> that's funny.... I've posted messages in the wrong channel before
[08:29:30 EST(-0500)] <michelled> ya, me too
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[09:03:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o: Whenever you see him, can you check in with fj4000 about FLUID-2165?
[09:04:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I notice that one of the key spots where we still have issues with references to "jQuery" is in the 1.5.3 version of accordion
[09:04:27 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> If he (or Bosmon) upgraded it to the 1.6rc6 version, we should be all set.
[09:04:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> In fact, michelled's ARIA code is in UI core in 1.6rc6, so we can also toss jARIA, I think.
[09:05:03 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> that's interesting
[09:05:12 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i'll talk to him about that
[09:05:14 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Which will fix all the references to "jQuery" (instead of $) and let us close the issue.
[09:05:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: Do you see any reason why we shouldn't be using jQuery UI instead of jARIA?
[09:05:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I forget, is there something missing? Like the ability to remove roles and states?
[09:06:14 EST(-0500)] <michelled> to be honest I can't remember exactly what got into jQuery UI
[09:06:30 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I guess my only concern is importance in the face of our current bug list
[09:06:39 EST(-0500)] <michelled> but I'd love to ditch code where we can
[09:25:56 EST(-0500)] <michelled> colinclark: to answer your earlier question, I just looked and both adding and removing aria is in jQuery UI
[09:26:15 EST(-0500)] <michelled> built into the behaviour of attr and removeAttr
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[09:29:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled: Great
[09:33:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> fj4000: Those icons look great!
[09:33:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Can I be the rocket ship?
[09:34:39 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark: jquery has changed their download page
[09:34:55 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> thanks 
[09:35:08 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> hehe
[09:36:09 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> Justin_o, colinclark: we might need to change our UI download strategy
[09:36:09 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark: fj4000 was pointing out that they no longer provide downloads of individual js files, but they package it into a single js file based on the features you want
[09:36:22 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> woah
[09:36:25 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> if you try to remove the core, they give you a warning
[09:36:31 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> and re-check it for you 
[09:36:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> i'll take a look
[09:37:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jquery tweets yesterday kept hinting at "surprises" coming
[09:37:40 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> well it would have been nice if they waited a couple more days 
[09:38:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yeah
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[09:45:59 EST(-0500)] <michelled> Justin_o: why do we need to download something from jQuery today?
[09:46:53 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> oh ... it seems that the accordion is using the 1.5.3 instead of the 1.6rc6... why this is important is because of fluid-2165
[09:47:13 EST(-0500)] <michelled> the file says it's 1.6rc6
[09:47:21 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> hmm... really
[09:47:29 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> okay... that's intersting....
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[09:47:41 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> let me take a look
[09:52:38 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> you're right, it seems okay
[09:52:41 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> michelled:
[09:52:47 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ^
[09:53:00 EST(-0500)] <michelled>
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[10:37:39 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: g'morning
[10:37:45 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> hello
[10:37:47 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> good morning
[10:38:22 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: wondering if I should check in the changes from yesterday, even though Colin and I will have to figure out later today how to restore the f9 accessibility functionality?
[10:39:59 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ecochran: you mean the upgrade to swfupload beta 5
[10:40:13 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yes
[10:40:47 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i think it should be okay... you can do it as part of the http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-1983
[10:40:59 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> you may want to check in with colin though because of another jira
[10:41:11 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2219
[10:41:38 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Ah, we're backing off the Gear implementation.
[10:42:12 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: I can wait until he's in, there are a lot of moving plates right now in that code and I want to try to make sure that none of the collide
[10:42:29 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> that's probably a good idea...
[10:43:01 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i'm going to be putting up a bug about one of the uploader unit tests failing.... it was one that we closed, but looks like it is still happening in Opera
[10:43:13 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> which one?
[10:43:33 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> http://build.fluidproject.org/fluid/tests/fluid-tests/uploader/DemoUploadManager-test.html
[10:43:37 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> 1.3
[10:43:46 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> the third test in the first set
[10:44:02 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> hmm... that might be a google gears one anyways
[10:44:30 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yes, you are right... it's failing everywhere
[10:44:35 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> and it's gears
[10:44:47 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> it shall magically vanish before our eyes!
[10:44:54 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o>
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[11:01:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> so, king
[11:01:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Justin_o
[11:01:38 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> What should I do, now that you are king?
[11:01:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I can remove Gears.
[11:01:54 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Or I can get SWFUpload b5 in.
[11:01:57 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Any preference?
[11:02:06 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I mean, I'll do both before we ship.
[11:02:35 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> colinclark: ecochran had just been asking about updating to swfupload beta 5 so if you want to coordinate with him
[11:02:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Ah, I didn't even see him there.
[11:02:53 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Morning, ecochran.
[11:02:53 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i'm not sure if you will need to work together to get all of the update done or not
[11:02:54 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: g'morning
[11:03:39 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ecochran: Are you working on FLUID-1983 at the moment?
[11:03:45 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> colinclark: I wanted to coordinate because we've got a lot of different things going on with b5 coming in and gears going out and my trying to fix the Pause bug
[11:03:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Yep, let's do one commit at a time.
[11:04:05 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yes
[11:04:09 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> How do you want to proceed?
[11:04:28 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> working on Pause but I still have b5 in my code base since that seems like where we're going
[11:04:33 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> I'd like to land b5
[11:04:44 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> but I haven't done a fix for the f9 problem
[11:04:51 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ok
[11:05:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sounds like you may want to get a nice clean working copy, then drop b5 in.
[11:05:44 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I can advise you on how to modify the swfuploadSetupDecorator accordingly.
[11:05:50 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> that's pretty much where I'm at, I'll double check
[11:05:55 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Just taking a peek at the code now.
[11:05:56 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> thanks
[11:06:54 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> yes, all my current changes in my trunk are b5 related. I put the conditional back but added a little work around so I didn't have to upgrade to f10
[11:07:09 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> shall we screen share?
[11:07:43 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> sure
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[11:27:42 EST(-0500)] <michelled> Bosmon: I have a question about refreshing a view that is using the renderer and is data bound
[11:28:12 EST(-0500)] <michelled> basically, the render model is changing programattically and I want the UI to reflect that change
[11:28:40 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I tried using reRender but that doesn't do exactly what I want because it it throwing away the old DOM which is bound to my component and replacing it
[11:29:15 EST(-0500)] <michelled> the result is that event handlers, etc, are no longer bound to the UI
[11:29:42 EST(-0500)] <michelled> is there some other way to trigger the renderer to update based on the data model?
[11:29:50 EST(-0500)] <michelled> perhaps an event that I should be throwing?
[11:30:29 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well, you should be registering the event handlers, ec. as part of the component tree
[11:30:53 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> That is one answer...
[11:31:03 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I'm not sure what you mean
[11:31:14 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Bosom, I'm not sure what you mean by "registering event handlers as part of the component trees"
[11:31:20 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> You know, those "decorators"
[11:31:24 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> That you observed the other day
[11:32:57 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> well, I didn't understand those decorators when I saw them
[11:33:42 EST(-0500)] <michelled> perhaps a concrete example would help. I have an onChange handler on the inputs in the UI. the change causes an event will trigger the preview to update
[11:33:57 EST(-0500)] <michelled> how should the onChange handler be attached to the tree?
[11:47:30 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Sorry, I am paying attention now
[11:48:47 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Bosmon: any thoughts on how michelled should attach her onChange handler to the tree?
[11:51:32 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes, sorry
[11:52:55 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> So, you see, you can add a member called "decorators" to any component
[11:53:15 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> So, for example, to attach an onChange via jQuery, you can say
[11:54:13 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> {
[11:54:13 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> decorators: {
[11:54:13 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> jQuery: ["onChange", function ()] .... etc.
[11:54:25 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Or "$" for jQuery
[11:55:54 EST(-0500)] <michelled> so is this the way the renderer is expected to be used?
[11:56:04 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Or a more full form like decorators:
[11:56:04 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> [key: "jQuery",
[11:56:04 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> func: "onChange",
[11:56:04 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> args: function() ...
[11:56:05 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes
[11:56:05 EST(-0500)] <michelled> or is there another way to trigger the renderer to update the view?
[11:56:15 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> We had a long chat about this last year, I think
[11:56:40 EST(-0500)] <michelled> I don't remember
[11:56:48 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Ah well, maybe it is in the logs
[11:56:57 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Unfortunately I don't seem to have written any test cases for this...
[11:57:09 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Nor even any API docs!
[11:57:12 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> What a tragedy!
[11:57:26 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> well, do feel free to add some API docs to the wiki
[11:58:34 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> But.... there were copious IRC logs
[11:58:47 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> do you have a date for those logs?
[11:58:53 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> ha!
[11:59:39 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> just letting everyone know that I'm going to update the daily build site... if anyone would like me to wait, please let me know within the next minute thanks
[12:00:01 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/fluid-work+IRC+Logs-2008-10-09
[12:00:02 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> perhaps http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/fluid-work+IRC+Logs-2008-10-09 ?
[12:00:03 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Here is one
[12:00:07 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> yes
[12:00:09 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> great minds...
[12:00:14 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Wow, it was really so long ago
[12:00:19 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I need to pop off to a talk for a bit...
[12:00:20 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Back soon
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[12:35:41 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> I am going to be updating the daily build site again
[12:44:00 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: I just realized that I need to check in a change to the Image Gallery
[12:44:22 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> sorry, the build version of Uploader will be broken until I do
[12:44:26 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> one minute
[12:44:30 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> thanks
[12:44:41 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> i hadn't started testing there yet... glad you spotted it
[12:47:13 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> Justin_o: Done
[12:47:20 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Justin_o: I can't seem to replicate FLUID-2192... is it still there?
[12:47:21 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> You're good to go
[12:48:09 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ecochran: thanks
[12:48:14 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: i'm still seeing it
[12:48:16 EST(-0500)] <ecochran> my pleasure
[12:48:26 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Ok, the unit tests fail, but the sample pages don't?
[12:48:48 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> oh, that's weird - now it's there
[12:48:52 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> didn't happen the first time
[12:48:55 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> odd...
[12:49:13 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> that is odd.... oh well... i was hoping that they had actually gone away
[12:52:32 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> sorrry
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[14:47:11 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Justin_o: I'll review FLUID-2220
[14:47:21 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> thank you
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[14:58:49 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Jusin_o: The fix to FLUID-2220 looks fine to me - very simple, very minor, very reasonable.
[14:59:20 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> does the code-reviewer close the issue? or do they tell you it's fine, and you close it?
[15:00:18 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> clown: do you have any time to answer a focus question
[15:00:29 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Justin_o: I'll review FLUID-2153 now
[15:01:01 EST(-0500)] <clown> Justin_o: just a second...
[15:01:05 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: um... i guess you would comment about the code review on the bug and then I'll close after testing
[15:01:09 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> clown: thanks
[15:01:10 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> right!
[15:01:42 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> done
[15:03:43 EST(-0500)] <clown> Justin_o: okay, what's up?
[15:04:10 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> could you tell us what the first element in a dialog to get focus should be
[15:04:27 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> did you want to come and look at what we are refering
[15:04:39 EST(-0500)] <clown> Justin_o: on my way...
[15:04:44 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> thanks
[15:20:08 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> Justin_o: FLUID-2153 looks good - I've commented to that effect on the JIRA
[15:20:52 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I probably shouldn't review FLUID-1952, since I'm the one who fixed it
[15:26:55 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> you're probably right... thanks for doing the reviews
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[15:45:32 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> michelled: do you want me to have a stab at http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2121 ?
[15:46:18 EST(-0500)] <michelled> fj4000 is fixing that
[15:46:40 EST(-0500)] <fj4000> ya
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[16:20:03 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I've been rocking the Infusion Framework page a bit more. I'm curious to hear your feedback.
[16:20:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Framework
[16:20:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I'm trying to get closer to that "Why Fluid?" documentation you've been asking me for.
[16:22:10 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> colinclark: I'll have another look
[16:22:18 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: I'm going to write a paragraph on how we're not the only toolkit in the game
[16:22:21 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and how we embrace that
[16:22:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> love jquery
[16:22:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> place nice with other toolkits
[16:22:32 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> that's in our dna
[16:22:32 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> we're not???
[16:22:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> lol
[16:22:57 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> what happened to the sandwich?
[16:23:48 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> it got smaller
[16:23:52 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> and more multi-coloured
[16:23:58 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> anastasiac: Do you not like it?
[16:24:14 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> I do - it was just missing for a moment
[16:25:04 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> you need to decide whether or not it's "framework" or "Framework"
[16:25:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ah hyes
[16:25:42 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I guess as a name it's the Infusion Framework
[16:25:49 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> but any other time it's just framework
[16:26:26 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I dunno, I do find it hard to be an evangelist.
[16:27:55 EST(-0500)] <anastasiac> you find it hard to be an evangelist?? but you're so good at it!
[16:27:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Clearly I like our framework. But it's a skill to be able to package it up into a bite-sized articulation of why it's awesome.
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