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[12:04:29 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: so how do I edit an entry in the Current Needs task list? It is very confusing... where does it live?
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[12:04:57 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: not much editting you can actually do
[12:05:07 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> It seems that a general side-effect of "model-lifying" InlineEdit is to really "that-ify" more of it
[12:05:21 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> you can delete, you can create a new one, you can check/uncheck a task
[12:05:28 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I wanted to add my name to the test that I completed and then "sign-up" for another one
[12:05:44 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> do I have to delete and re-add?
[12:05:48 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: to get your name next to your completed task, just log in, un check it.. and then check it again
[12:06:06 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: not to just get your name beside it
[12:06:14 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> ah
[12:06:42 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> so there isn't a way to "assign" these things... right now, looking at the list, I can't see who is working on what.
[12:06:59 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> no.. i've created those jira's that's all
[12:07:11 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> is there a "list" that I can go to?
[12:07:39 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> OK, I'll just be expedient... what do you need help with now?
[12:08:05 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> um.. you can check jira and look for QA tasks.. those all deal with this.. they may also be on the to do page of the wiki
[12:08:20 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> as for what you can do now.. let me get jacob in here
[12:08:53 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> heya
[12:09:15 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jacobfarber: what are you working on currently
[12:09:33 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> Reorderer - Layout Customizer (Win XP)(IE6)
[12:09:33 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> Reorderer - Layout Customizer (Win XP)(IE7)
[12:10:10 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Shall I take FF3 and FF2 - Mac then?
[12:10:13 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jacobfarber: you don't have to do IE7 anymore
[12:10:24 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> Herb did it already
[12:10:28 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> ah
[12:10:37 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I believe he has actually done all IE7
[12:11:08 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> ok
[12:11:21 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I don't see Reorderer - Layout Customizer (Mac) checked off?
[12:12:16 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> I'll start Inline Edit (Opera 9.5) soon
[12:12:54 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i've started on that one already
[12:13:07 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> sorry.. that was to ecochran
[12:14:05 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> jacobfarber: have you done the reorderer for test plans for components other than layout customizer
[12:14:11 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> if not maybe ecochran would be willing to
[12:15:10 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> I didnt start the lightbox test
[12:15:36 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: would you mind doing the Reorderer tasks which haven't been checked off for winxp.. i've only done ff2 for those ones so far
[12:16:30 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: FF3 is checked off, did you mean FF3?
[12:17:17 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> FF3 is only for the layout customizer..
[12:17:46 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> testing in winxp still needs to be done for lightbox, sortable jquery tabs, sortable vertical lists
[12:17:59 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> the tests are fairly similar with slight variations
[12:18:15 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: OK, I think that I'm getting it
[12:18:18 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> slowly
[12:18:49 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> so you're saying that you've tested those three things on FF2, Win XP?
[12:19:51 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> so shall I start testing those three things on IE6 and IE7? Does that make sense?
[12:23:06 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> Can anyone else get to docs.jquery.com?
[12:24:49 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes... thanks..
[12:25:00 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Bosmon: appears to be down
[12:25:01 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> seems down
[12:25:04 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> to add some more confusion though.. you can test them in ff3 as well
[12:25:05 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> boo 
[12:25:55 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: would you like me to make individual tasks based on browsers/os
[12:27:27 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: I'm not sure that the task list is granular enough to cover these tasks. Seems that the information that is required is: Compontent, Browser/Platform, who's assigned, completed
[12:27:50 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> that's really the only way to know who's working on what
[12:28:06 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> no problem.. let me clean it up a bit.. i'll let you know when it is done
[12:34:57 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: In the meantime, I'm going to start testing Reorderer lightbox, tabs and vertical lists in IE6/7 - thanks
[12:35:27 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thanks.. you don't have to do IE7 though.. Herb already did it
[12:35:30 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> he sent me an e-mail
[12:35:44 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> OK, IE 6 then
[12:35:51 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> yes.. thanks
[12:36:00 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: and if I seem cranky, sorry, it's not you... it's just one of those days
[12:36:15 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: no problem.. didn't even think of it
[12:50:37 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran, jacobfarber : I've updated the task list to be by browser, your name is at the end of the task
[12:50:57 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> really?
[12:52:15 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> awesome
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[13:42:26 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Justin_o I've just committed the patch to FLUID-1033. Do you want me to rebuild the nightly?
[13:42:42 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> sure.. that's probably a good idea..
[13:43:10 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> is anyone going to lose any testing info if I rebuild right now? jacobfarber? ecochran?
[13:43:28 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> michelled, you may want to also restart the Sakai demo, so that Justin_o can test the actual callback code
[13:43:43 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> michelled: np, just let me know when you've restarted
[13:43:45 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i can wait.. let me know when you are done..
[13:43:54 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> good idea, I'll do that
[13:47:08 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ecochran, Justin_o, colinclark: I just noticed that the Uploader tests are failing for a very minor reason - jaria wasn't included in the test markup file. Should I commit this change so that the tests pass?
[13:47:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: Yes, definitely!
[13:47:36 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> thnks
[13:47:44 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> can you rebuild the nightly build with that as well
[13:47:50 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> for sure
[13:47:56 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thank you
[13:48:43 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: You have Reorderer - Lightbox (FF3 Win XP) Eli (del) listed twice
[13:48:58 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> is this a duplicate or should the second one be something else?
[13:49:09 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> let me check that..
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[13:50:34 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I'm pretty sure it is a duplicate. so I deleted it
[13:50:59 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thanks for bringing that to my attention
[13:53:54 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ok, ecochran, Justin_o, jacobfarber - the nightly is rebuilt with the two commits
[13:54:05 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thanks
[13:54:11 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> the sakai gallery as well. np
[13:55:41 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> the "move" cursor used in some places for reorderer is only a "hand" in FF on the Mac, in all other places it appears to be a cross with arrows at the end of each arm. Right now the tests plans call this cursor a "hand" so technically when it is displayed otherwise it is a bug. I think that the test plans should be written accordingly.
[13:56:02 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> sorry that was a lot for one message
[13:57:04 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> do you mean i should change the test plan to indicate that it should change to either a hand or cross with arrows?
[14:02:01 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> or do you mean it should just be cross with arrows in all places
[14:04:09 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm listening in on today's design standup meeting...
[14:04:37 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Gary has started to look into integrating the Layout Customizer into uP3!
[14:04:48 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> He'll be in touch with us soon about how we can help. 
[14:05:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Gary rules!
[14:05:36 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: i've finished the tasks with my name beside them, would you like me to do any of the ones you have
[14:06:03 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> colinclark, this is excellent!
[14:06:22 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: cross or arrow (or you could say "cursor should change to the 'move' pointer [hand on FF on the Mac, cross on all other browsers]"
[14:07:22 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: it would be great if you could pick up the Lightbox tests
[14:07:44 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: i just started looking at the wiki to see if there is a mention of this in the design.. and i can't find anything.. i think i'll do what you suggest and make it the hand or arrow until i find or it is mentioned if it should be a specific style
[14:07:53 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran: sure I'll do the lightbox ones
[14:09:40 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I think that I'll move away from functional testing now and review the documentation for Uploader
[14:10:51 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> that's a good idea, I'm not sure if anyone has had a chance to look at those yet.. i'll work on the functional testing that you have checked off
[14:11:11 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> sorry.. should be haven't checked off
[14:12:34 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> Justin_o: thnks!
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[14:32:51 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Justin_o: anything else need testing? Or should I continue reading docs?
[14:33:28 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I was just going to message here that it looks like testing is done.. just need to test the documentation.. i am going to go over the sakai site again though
[14:34:23 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> cool
[15:21:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Despite the change in the partnership, it looks like Seth Kaufman is starting to use Fluid in OpenCollection: http://trac.opencollection.org/changeset/1530
[15:21:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[15:30:46 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> colinclark: there is no license or copyright in the keyboard a11y javascript test file. Should there be? The Fluid javascript test files have licenses and copyrights like our other javascript files.
[15:31:21 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> michelled: It probably should, yes. Don't forget that the keyboard-a11y plugin is licensed differently from the rest of Fluid.
[15:31:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> It is licensed under the standard jQuery GPL/MIT split.
[15:31:42 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes, that's why I wasn't sure about it
[15:32:12 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> are these standard university licenses?
[15:32:37 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jacobfarber: GPL and MIT are pretty familiar open source licenses in general.
[15:33:03 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Interestingly, many of the most prominent open source licenses were initiated by Universities, since they have a long history of sharing code.
[15:33:11 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> But lots of people use these licenses.
[15:34:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> jacobfarber: At great risk of essentializing, you can split open source licenses into two camps. Copyleft, represented largely by the GPL. And the more permissive form represented by the BSD/MIT/Apache licenses.
[15:35:03 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> The question of which license is better is entirely out of scope. And question best left untouched.
[15:35:04 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> colinclark: im reading the details as we "speak"
[15:35:21 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber> wouldnt want a war
[15:35:50 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Fluid is dual licensed using the Educational Community License (ECL) 2.0 and the BSD license.
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[15:36:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> For simplicity's sake, our jQuery plugin is licensed dually using GPL and MIT.
[15:37:10 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ECL is nearly identical to the Apache license, which in turn is quite similar to the BSD and MIT licenses. The details are subtle and complicated.
[15:37:18 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> So there's your primer in open source licensing.
[15:38:08 EDT(-0400)] <jacobfarber>
[15:40:42 EDT(-0400)] * colinclark hates tables in Confluence.
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[16:12:54 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=335808194565360453
[16:13:24 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> davidb: Eek
[16:13:29 EDT(-0400)] <davidb>
[16:13:36 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Don't know that I can watch.
[16:13:45 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> it is good
[16:14:36 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> colinclark: will be fun to watch this again in 10-15 years
[16:14:45 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark>
[16:15:37 EDT(-0400)] <davidb> bah they didn't inline your slides.
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