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[04:41:46 EDT(-0400)] <everettz> Bosmon: Good morning, are you around?
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[09:33:22 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> anastasiac, Bosmon, fj4000: if you have time, the following still need to be reviewed, FLUID-2392, (FLUID-2351/FLUID-2334/FLUID-1974), FLUID-2323
[09:33:39 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> thanks!
[09:33:48 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> thank you
[09:34:23 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Justin_o, fj4000: I'll have a look at 2392
[09:36:28 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> anastasiac, Bosmon, et al: I will look at 2351/2334/1974
[09:38:27 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i had a couple of pager questions, if anyone has time
[09:40:03 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> athena, shoot. I'll try to help, if I can
[09:40:17 EDT(-0400)] <athena> thanks!
[09:40:19 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Bomson might chime in
[09:40:32 EDT(-0400)] <athena> so first, i was wondering if it was possible to initialize the pager on a particular page
[09:41:00 EDT(-0400)] <athena> like set it to set the pageIndex to 3 at the beginning, instead of 0
[09:41:10 EDT(-0400)] <athena> the other question i had was whether it's possible to refresh the pager
[09:41:15 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Ah, good questions
[09:41:21 EDT(-0400)] * anastasiac reviews the code
[09:41:38 EDT(-0400)] <athena> like if i change all the elements in the list, and now there's a new set of items and links
[09:43:30 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok, regarding initializing with a certain page
[09:43:44 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> first, the caveat: I didn't write this code, so I could be wrong about some of this
[09:44:09 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> but as far as I can tell, there's a field in the data model that can be used to specify the page index
[09:44:30 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I would think that if the initial model has an index other than 0, that should work
[09:44:36 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> model.pageIndex
[09:44:56 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> see http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Pager+API, the section called "The Pager's Model"
[09:45:12 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> sorry that the link to that section doesn't work right now, I have to take the apostrophe out
[09:45:59 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> you initialize the model through the creator function's options structure, using the 'dataModel' option
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[09:46:27 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> see http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Pager+API#PagerAPI-Options, in the Renderer Options section
[09:47:21 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> regarding refreshing: you should be able to do this, but I'm having trouble confirming this right now
[09:47:23 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> give me a minute more
[09:47:25 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ok
[09:47:38 EDT(-0400)] <athena> when i read the documentation it sort of seemed to suggest that those properties were read-only
[09:49:11 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> you mean the dataModel.pageIndex?
[09:49:40 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> ok, I'll have to address that 
obviously, the docs are not clear
[09:49:49 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ok
[09:49:51 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> the options are things you can pass to the Pager to configure it
[09:49:54 EDT(-0400)] <athena> so i'll try just setting that then
[09:49:58 EDT(-0400)] <athena> thanks!
[09:50:17 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> you actually have to pass it a dataModel if you're using the Renderer (which is the recommended way)
[09:50:46 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'm still working on the docs - the Pager is not a simple component, when it comes down to i
[09:50:47 EDT(-0400)] <athena> hm
[09:50:51 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i haven't tried using the renderer
[09:50:55 EDT(-0400)] <athena> does that apply to 0.8?
[09:51:24 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> let me check...
[09:52:15 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> yes, this does apply to 0.8
[09:52:39 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> the Pager itself uses the Renderer, you don't explicitly have to do much yourself
[09:53:25 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ok
[09:53:30 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I have on my to-do list the creation of a tutorial for the Renderer version of the Pager usage, but I've only got a stub so far
[09:53:34 EDT(-0400)] <athena> so just pass in that model as one of the options?
[09:53:39 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> yes
[09:53:43 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ok, i'll try that out
[09:53:46 EDT(-0400)] <athena> thank you
[09:53:49 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> if you have our sample-code, there are two examples that do it this way
[09:53:56 EDT(-0400)] <athena> oh excellent
[09:54:01 EDT(-0400)] <athena> examples are definitely helpful
[09:54:15 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> sample-code/pager/renderered and sample-code/pager/sakai-site-setting
[09:54:26 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> the 'basic' sample does NOT use the renderer
[09:54:53 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'm sorry to have to point you to sample code instead of actual documentation 
[09:55:01 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> please keep any questions coming!
[09:55:22 EDT(-0400)] <athena> thanks
[09:55:26 EDT(-0400)] <athena> no sample code is good
[09:55:35 EDT(-0400)] <athena> any thoughts about refreshing the pager?
[09:56:07 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> the Pager should have a function called refreshView(), but I don't see it
[09:56:09 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i'm not sure if there's a refresh method, or if i should just do things manually
[09:56:20 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'll check with Bosmon, he's more familiar with the code
[09:57:02 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> athena, there should be a way to refresh - if it's not implemented yet, I'd consider that a bug
[09:57:11 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ok
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[11:00:28 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> FLUID-2323 has been reviewed
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[11:14:53 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Justin_o 2392 is reviewed
[11:14:59 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> are we into clean up parade?
[11:15:33 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> i'm just going to close it off and send out an update and we will be in clean up
[11:15:57 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yay!
[11:33:31 EDT(-0400)] * Topic is 'Clean-Up Parade ( http://issues.fluidproject.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestId=10196 )' set by Justin_o on 2009-03-26 11:33:31 EDT(-0400)
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[11:37:51 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Justin_o: my e-mail is acting funny. Is trunk open for clean up parade?
[11:38:37 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> michelled: yes... trunk is now open for "Clean Up Parade". I've added the link to the jira filter in the topic
[11:38:43 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks
[11:39:19 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> michelled: I have come across some problems that may be related to the issue of re-evaluating the manual tests
[11:39:31 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> what problems?
[11:39:50 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> well maybe problem wasn't the correct word....
[11:40:07 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> basically some of the changes needed may be in the manual tests, but are we going to keep all of them
[11:40:54 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> that's a good question. I feel pretty good about removing manual tests that don't show anything different from the functional examples or the samples
[11:41:08 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> I agree
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[11:47:42 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> fj4000: just so I don't get confused, should the progressive-enhancable elements be "fl" or "flc". This is one of those areas where it is both style and selector, but in this case it seems to be acting much more like a selector
[11:47:55 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> fl-ProgEnhance-hide
[11:48:13 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> hmm
[11:48:17 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> this is interesting
[11:48:30 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> i do use it for some display settings, but thats all
[11:48:55 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> "Restructure SVN repository" is really pretty vague as a JIRA 
[11:49:01 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> What exactly are we imagining?
[11:49:05 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ecochran: so all it does in FSS is display:none, I think
[11:49:22 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> fj4000: the code uses it to locate and manipulate the DOM
[11:49:30 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> fj4000: pretty much
[11:50:29 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> fj4000: I'm feeling like what I'm ending up doing is loading pretty much any element with both a fl and flc classname since most of my element both have style and need a selector
[11:50:39 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I assume that this is the intended result but sometimes it feels awkward
[11:50:40 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Bosmon: fj4000 sent a possible restructure to the list. But I don't think we made a hard decision. I think we probably should meet to talk about it before someone does it. Perhaps when colinclark is done with cspace coding
[11:50:45 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ecochran - im just disucssing this with colin too
[11:50:54 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I think I have an idea how to split this up
[11:52:02 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Bosmon: do you think it matters that there are jQuery calls in tests and in samples?
[11:53:36 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ecochran - sorry, can I just think abotu this for a minute?
[11:53:47 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I thought I had a solution, but now im not sure
[11:54:07 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> michelled: No, I don't think so, except as a bad example
[11:54:22 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> The main purpose of eliminating jQuery calls is to maximise our value as a library
[11:54:43 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> fj4000: ?
[11:54:46 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> We do need to look at that accessible menu sample though, it is ridiculously ancient
[11:54:55 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ecochran: ??
[11:55:00 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> And most of the CSS seems to have rotted to buggery
[11:55:47 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Bosmon: Justin_o is compiling a list of manual examples to remove from the repository
[11:55:56 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> perhaps this is one of them?
[11:56:04 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> I feel sure of it
[11:57:39 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> fj4000: I figured... many places it makes sense to have different classnames
[11:57:53 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> Bosmon: what about jQuery calls in the templates?
[11:58:00 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> like LayoutReorderer.html
[11:58:16 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> since they have different functional roles... styling vs. function
[11:58:35 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> calls... in the templates?
[11:58:40 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmon> We have Javascript in our templates?!
[11:58:41 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ecochran: yeah, many times it looks like you would want both
[11:58:54 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> epspecially if they're doing something interesitng
[11:58:55 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> fj4000: take your time
[11:59:05 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> thanks
[11:59:24 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> just need to wrap my head around whats going on with uploader
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[12:05:57 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> ecochran: what would you say to something like this:
[12:06:10 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> the show/hide names are misleading
[12:06:20 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> since they switch around if js is available
[12:06:43 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> instead, we could do 2 things (which might be more writing, but in my mind look clearer)
[12:07:01 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> fl-ProgEnhance-show/hide becomes fl-ProgEnhance-basic {} & fl-ProgEnhance-enhanced {}
[12:07:38 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> they would be the class names purely for controlling display behaviour
[12:07:48 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> while you could use something simpler for your selectors
[12:07:54 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> like flc-basic, flc-enhanced
[12:08:01 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> or whatever
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[12:11:56 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> wouldn't it be fl-progEnhance-show?
[12:12:11 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> michelled: what would that be?
[12:13:04 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I'm being picky about camel case
[12:13:14 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sorry - I didn't read the trascript
[12:13:29 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> oooh
[12:13:31 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yes
[12:13:43 EDT(-0400)] * fj4000 adds it to the list of class name cleanups
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[12:18:36 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> fj4000: I was pushed out of the channel there for a moment... you didn't happen to use that moment to announce your idea, did you?
[12:18:59 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000>
[12:19:09 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> starts at 12:05
[12:19:31 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> 12:05:58 to be exact
[12:22:34 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> fj4000: oh no! I was joking! crap... off to the wiki
[12:22:39 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> thanks!
[12:23:17 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> whats at the wiki?
[12:24:17 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> fj4000: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/fluid-work+IRC+Logs-2009-03-26
[12:24:39 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> oooh
[12:24:40 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I am missing those exact minutes in my IRC log
[12:24:46 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> that's the moment I was pushed out
[12:24:52 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I can just rehash if you like
[12:24:55 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> timing is everything!
[12:24:56 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> no no
[12:24:58 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I read it
[12:25:00 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I got it
[12:25:04 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> makes sense
[12:25:16 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> so you think its ok?
[12:25:32 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> OK, back to my painstaking renaming of things
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[12:30:16 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> fj4000: do you think that there are any points where we say, "my my my, that name is getting rather long and should be shorter" or do we just not worry about that... sorry, if these questions seem picky... I'm not questioning the strategy (I rather like it) but in actually implementing the plan, some things "feel" clumsy, like the really long class names that I'm ending up with
[12:31:00 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> we chat about it here all the time
[12:31:05 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> its a strange issue
[12:31:13 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> example: fileName became flc-uplaoader-queueRow-fileNameText
[12:31:30 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> just noticed the typo there
[12:31:31 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yup, I know what you mean
[12:32:57 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> fj4000: I take it the result of the "chat" is "yep, that's the way it goes" ?
[12:32:58 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> there is always fat that could be trimmed from these names
[12:33:06 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> OK
[12:33:16 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> not always, I think, but we cant think of a decent solution
[12:33:32 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> I was just thinking while pondering that name that the "Text" part might be a bit redundent
[12:33:32 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> one that tells everyone, not just fluid, how to do this nice and neatly
[12:33:52 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> do you need queueRow and not just row ?
[12:34:04 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> I pondered that too
[12:34:05 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> since there arent any other rows, outside of the queue
[12:34:11 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> true
[12:34:27 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> but if you were reading it with out knowing what it did, you might wonder
[12:34:32 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> but that seems extreme
[12:34:44 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> OK, that hels
[12:34:46 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> helps
[12:35:09 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> sometimes, the strucutre itself conveys the meaning enough
[12:35:13 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> we except that a certain amount of context can be implied by the actual implementation
[12:35:20 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yup
[12:35:29 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> and there is the api wiki
[12:35:40 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> ?
[12:36:00 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> if they are confused about a default selector, they could just read up on the api docs
[12:45:42 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> fj4000: have you guys talked at all about the methodology for changing these names... I'm first going through the code, and fixing selectors, then going to the css checking whether that selector is also used for styling, if it is used for styling, I'm leaving the style classname in place, adding the new selector classname to the element in the HTML. Then after I'm done with the selectors, I'm going to go through and cha
[12:45:58 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> so far this is working well for me... time consuming but good
[12:46:26 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> the last sentence was cut off
[12:46:34 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> "Then after Im done...."
[12:46:47 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> but it sounds like what im trying to do too
[12:47:01 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> Sorry I forget that I'm too verbous for IRC
[12:47:02 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> Then after I'm done with the selectors, I'm going to go through and change all the style class names.
[12:47:44 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> fj4000: thanks... didn't seem to be another way
[12:47:45 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> sounds cool to me....michelled, colinclark, anastasiac, Justin_o: do you have different approaches?
[12:48:24 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> I agree that the structure conveys meaning
[12:49:39 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> naming is a difficult but important thing
[12:49:59 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> it was actually one of the things the dudes who were talking about testing the other night stressed.
[12:50:09 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> not so much in their explanations but in their examples
[12:50:41 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> they spend a lot of time on naming in their tests and the result is tests that are much more easily maintainable
[12:51:46 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> fj4000 and michelled : it's an interesting problem in the web world though, unlike compiled code, verbosity WILL effect performance at some level since all those bits must go over the wire
[12:52:07 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> yes
[12:52:28 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> one of the reasons people obfuscate
[12:52:38 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> its always an issue with any system, I think: clarity vs. project size
[12:53:52 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> fj4000: I've always loved descriptive variable names, etc. but have always strived for "just enough and no more"
[12:54:05 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> its an art, no doubt
[12:54:19 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> i've always love the hungarian syntax lol
[12:55:02 EDT(-0400)] * fj4000 meant to say Hungarian Notation
[13:02:07 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> you wouldn't think that I'd be a fan but I am too... (don't tell)
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[13:55:36 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> What are we allowed to do during Clean-Up?
[13:55:43 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Am I allowed to write test cases?
[13:55:48 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> nope
[13:55:51 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1>
[13:55:58 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> that could be discussed though
[13:57:20 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> if you look at the topic there is a link to the jira filter for the clean up jiras
[13:58:03 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> Bosmo1: if we can get everything done on that filter before monday, then I think it would be good to add some more tests
[13:58:37 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> should have said before the end of day on Monday
[14:06:43 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> ecochran_: we are in breeze
[14:06:51 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> hopefully you can join us
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[14:44:09 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero_> Hey, I hit up the list with a few issues that would love some review. if anyone wants to pick up the torch
[15:19:03 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> lessthanzero: did you mail the list?
[15:20:20 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero_> fj4000: yep, just sent another one
[15:20:36 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero_> from electBlake [ a t ] gmail.com
[15:20:42 EDT(-0400)] * lessthanzero_ is Blake
[15:22:36 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> Bosmo, Bosmo1, colinclark, fj4000, Jusin_o, michelled: Why don't I dive in and do the restructuring now?
[15:22:49 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> we need to complete it before the build scripts can really be done
[15:22:59 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> ecochran_: ^
[15:23:08 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> I'll do my best first pass while everyone else just stays away from svn
[15:23:15 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> (sorry, ecochran_!)
[15:23:30 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> then once it's done, everyone can blitz a bit to help test it
[15:23:32 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> sounds good to me
[15:23:35 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> thanks anastasiac!
[15:23:42 EDT(-0400)] <Justin_o> anastasiac: sounds good
[15:23:42 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> lessthanzero_: Sorry your previous patches slipped through the radar. fj4000 sounds like he's on it.
[15:24:03 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero_> colinclark: no problems, it happens I gotta get back in the game anyway.
[15:24:04 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran_> anastasiac: I'm fine with this... I'm in the middle of my class name work but I can keep it all local until I'm done
[15:26:57 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> lessthanzero_: I never even saw the patch review requests. I wonder if mail had cut me off
[15:27:01 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> how long ago was it?
[15:27:07 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero_> 2 weeks?
[15:28:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> i got them... march 16 lessthanzero_ sent a whack of hot-off-the-press patches
[15:28:32 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> glarg - someone got passed me
[15:28:41 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero_> 
March 16th, sounds about right.
[15:28:47 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> lessthanzero_: catch my attention if this happens again please
[15:29:21 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero_> michelled: I will with great humbleness
[15:29:23 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero_> humbletude?
[15:29:29 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> lol
[15:29:42 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero_> I will humbly poke you next time
[15:29:42 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> so, did those eventually get reviewed?
[15:29:55 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero_> Um.. they might be now, not sure.
[15:30:07 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero_> I know jacob picked up my patch I just sent out
[15:32:10 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> When will the restructuring happen?
[15:32:30 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Ah
[15:32:32 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> Looks like now
[15:32:37 EDT(-0400)] <Bosmo1> I should just go to the gym then....
[15:37:25 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Bosmo1: If you're up for it when you get back, I'm sure AC could use a hand re-linking dependencies.
[15:43:03 EDT(-0400)] * lessthanzero_ gives a high five to Jacob
[15:43:14 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero_> he handled my patches AND gave comments, booyeah.
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[16:06:28 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> lesthanzero:
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[16:52:54 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ecochran: Quick question for you.
[16:53:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fluid.ui.dialog.css
[16:53:07 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> yes
[16:53:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac is doing the directory restructuring
[16:53:17 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> this guy is now obsolete, right?
[16:53:27 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> well.... yes
[16:53:35 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> can she toast it, then?
[16:53:41 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> kill it
[16:54:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> awesome
[16:54:16 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> anastasiac: ^
[16:54:22 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> glad to help
[16:54:38 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> wait, michelled isn't using it, is she?
[16:54:50 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> colinclark: ^ anastasiac ^
[16:55:07 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> I haven't been following UI Options very closely
[16:55:12 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> fj4000: ^
[16:55:13 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> ?
[16:56:16 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> its not used by ui options
[16:56:48 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> michelled: ^ what do think? ^
[16:57:02 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> everyone is punting
[16:57:33 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> echocran: what was your final decision re: those class names we chatted about earlier today?
[16:57:59 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> When I do a search in Aptana for fluid.ui.dialog.css, I get no hits.
[16:58:05 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Sort of suggests that it's not being used.
[16:58:24 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> if fj4000 says UIOptions isn't using it then he's correct -
[16:58:39 EDT(-0400)] <michelled> he's the FSS guru
[16:58:43 EDT(-0400)] <michelled>
[16:59:28 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> colinclark: michelled and fj4000 have spoken, I trust them over any old software doin' some "search" thingy
[16:59:29 EDT(-0400)] <athena> anastasiac: to set the pager's pageIndex, do i need to use the renderer?
[16:59:55 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> colinclark, ecochran: im going to make a comment about the new syntax for the progressive enhancement technique for uploader class names
[16:59:58 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> sound good?
[17:00:05 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> athena, yes: that options is used by the renderer version of the pager
[17:00:11 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ok
[17:00:12 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> fj4000: please do
[17:00:22 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i think that's probably out of scope for this project
[17:00:27 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> fj4000: you spelled my name wrong above so I missed your question
[17:00:30 EDT(-0400)] <athena> but i totally intend to try it elsewhere
[17:00:49 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> oops!
[17:00:51 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> sorry
[17:00:59 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> fj4000: we talked about a few things, are you referring to what you just mentioned
[17:01:18 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> yup, i think so
[17:01:28 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> im commeting on fluid-2408
[17:01:37 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> pls have a peek in a moment
[17:01:48 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> checking
[17:04:24 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> fj4000: I peaked too early! Um, peeked! Nothing there yet.
[17:04:33 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> try now!
[17:05:13 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> fj4000: yep, I agree, that's how I'm going to implement it
[17:05:28 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> awesome
[17:06:04 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> so, just fyi - im wondering if it should make more sense to do the "show" part the same way you do the "hide" part -> injecting styles into the head
[17:06:23 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> instead of style="display:block" on the uploader
[17:06:28 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> just ot be consisstent
[17:07:54 EDT(-0400)] <ecochran> fj4000: I'm not sure... I'l write myself a note to look at that when I get there... I see what you mean, and consistency is good
[17:08:04 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000>
[17:11:29 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> lessthanzero_: do you have a second?
[17:12:08 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero_> fj4000: whats up?
[17:12:26 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> im running into an svn conflict for the 191 patch
[17:12:49 EDT(-0400)] <fj4000> I will IM you the details
[17:12:52 EDT(-0400)] <lessthanzero_> kk
[17:46:02 EDT(-0400)] <athena> anastasiac: it looks like the sample pager-render demo in trunk doesn't work with 0.8 code
[17:46:23 EDT(-0400)] <athena> is there an example of using the renderer w/ the pager in 0.8?
[17:46:31 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> athena: oh dear
[17:46:44 EDT(-0400)] <athena> oh!
[17:46:55 EDT(-0400)] <athena> it looks like the same demo exists in the 0.8 trunk
[17:47:01 EDT(-0400)] <athena> so i guess i can use that as an example instead
[17:47:24 EDT(-0400)] <anastasiac> yes, try the 0.8 version of the demo
[17:47:31 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ah, i see
[17:47:34 EDT(-0400)] <athena> easy enough to change
[17:47:35 EDT(-0400)] <athena> thanks
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[17:59:21 EDT(-0400)] * athena cheers
[17:59:23 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i think it works!
[17:59:45 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ahh! it does
[17:59:53 EDT(-0400)] <athena> by the way, this is so cool
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